ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

[R-Soul]

The problem is not lack of visibility,it is that the mindset of drivers does not register bikes.They are looking for things that will hurt them ,like Freightliners fr'instance.
All the dayglo shit under the sun will not change this fact.

With all due respect, thats nonsense. There have been many studies done that show that riders wearing hugh vis clothing are less likely to be in accidents. What you are more concerned about is looking idiotic.

If it made law, it wont look so stupid. Me personally, I want to stay alive AND pay less ACC.

[R-Soul]

Yep I agree and said the same thing in another thread. The average car driver just doesn't register anything smaller than another car...
And there is also the minsetof "oh they are small and nimble so they can get out of the way"..."they" being us the biker. How many of you have had direct eye contact with a driver and then they have still gone ahead and moved into the space you are already occupying?

I know that I have had that happen quite a few times.

That is when the protected knuckles on bike gloves become very useful for making dents in their bonnet.... there is just no excuse for that!

[sinfull]

That is when the protected knuckles on bike gloves become very useful for making dents in their bonnet.... there is just no excuse for that!

Now that comment just proves your full of shit !

[R-Soul]

While motorcyclists ride with a heightened state of awareness they need to be aware that other road users don't have that same level. It would be like having someone running trhough a crowded city. The pedestrians wouldn't be expecting that kind of speed and while the runner may see them and take evasive action and have everything under control for the pedestrian it's not a normal event, they move and as a result there is a collision. They just didn't have the presence to respond to this rare occurrance.

I feel riders need to be aware that they are performing way outside of what many car drivers are able to comprehend. I remember what it was like for my daughter moving from 50 k roads to busy roads and then the open road when she learnt to drive. There is a clear step between cars and motorcycles.

And this has what to do with ACC levies?

This relates to my point that the governemnt are trying to charge those having accidents with the moral high ground as if its somehow our fault. Like we went out to try and hurt ourselves. If they rather focussed on some decent steps to prevent accidents (like the compulsory courses mentioned above, or linking ACC levies to speeding offences) then they would not need to shell out so much! But dont punish the victims!

[R-Soul]

I have a sneaking suspicion this will be standing room only

I havea sneaky suspicion you should have booked out Vector arena...

[R-Soul]

Now that comment just proves your full of shit !

Why's that?

[phred]

Show the fees are way to high and if lower alot more would actually register their vehicle if it was around the actual costs

so we are already paying too much in our levies. the hikes are just to get it fully funded

Whole exercise is all about privatising ACC. Publish a HUGE price hike then reluctantly accept the peepuls recommendation to privatise the scheme and then we can all bend over and get raped by the insurance companies. Pretty soon we will be back to going to court to sue each other and then the costs will really begin to get out of control.

[Ferkletastic]

Whole exercise is all about privatising ACC. Publish a HUGE price hike then reluctantly accept the peepuls recommendation to privatise the scheme and then we can all bend over and get raped by the insurance companies. Pretty soon we will be back to going to court to sue each other and then the costs will really begin to get out of control.

What he said. It's the classic bait and switch. National knows that after last time they can't just privatise. So they're doing their best to make ACC look as bad as possible until the public happily allows privatisation.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

What he said. It's the classic bait and switch. National knows that after last time they can't just privatise. So they're doing their best to make ACC look as bad as possible until the public happily allows privatisation.

If it does go private and open to competition

if their is competition then they would have to drop the levy in fuel

[klingon]

Quick question...
There are gonna be a LOT of bikers AND bikes at this meeting...is anyone gonna be doing security for all our pride&joy machines parked outside?

When I used to go to HOG meetings we all just dropped a gold coin in a hat at the door to pay the guy who would stay outside to keep an eye on the bikes...

I do know where the Danish Society house is and just cos its in an industrial area doesn't mean the parking is secure...Am I just paranoid?

Good idea - someone could do security for a gold coin donation, then add the gold coins to the fighting fund!

The only trouble is... none of us will want to be outside when all the action's happening inside!

[Little Miss Trouble]

might be a little late but I will be there for sure

[Mom]

might be a little late but I will be there for sure

Dont worry, we will all turn and stare at you

[Mom]

Good idea - someone could do security for a gold coin donation, then add the gold coins to the fighting fund!

The only trouble is... none of us will want to be outside when all the action's happening inside!

You know something, I have a feeling that there will be people outside because so many are going to turn up we wont all fit inside

[swbarnett]

With all due respect, thats nonsense. There have been many studies done that show that riders wearing hugh vis clothing are less likely to be in accidents. What you are more concerned about is looking idiotic.

If it made law, it wont look so stupid. Me personally, I want to stay alive AND pay less ACC.

Correlation does not mean causation. It is entirely probable that yes, riders that wear high vis vests have fewer accidents. This is most likely because they are safer riders to begin with. Putting a high vis vest on a someone does not magically turn them in to a better rider.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Correlation does not mean causation. It is entirely probable that yes, riders that wear high vis vests have fewer accidents. This is most likely because they are safer riders to begin with. Putting a high vis vest on a someone does not magically turn them in to a better rider.

lets all wear hi vis, make all vehicles cars truck drive round on high beam during the day. Paint all cars hivis yellow or orange just so every one can see every one ???




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