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    Quote Originally Posted by swbarnett View Post
    It is entirely probable that yes, riders that wear high vis vests have fewer accidents.
    IMHO, often we drive automatically, using the primitive part of the brain that was programmed by nature to recognise, without apparent thought, danger, threats and prey.

    Often, as a motorcyclist, we are not seen.

    I think this is because the driver has switched to automatic mode, and we don't pass the trigger point to "danger", so we are not handed on to the conscious part of the brain.

    There is no doubt about it, HI-Vis works.

    But.. it may just be that, for just a split second a drivers brain says "COP", and registers a danger.


    Of course, once we all wear 'em that wont happen, we will be back to status quo !

    So, please dont wear the gear, but don't laugh to loud at me if I do !
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    Getting back to the thread.

    One of the founding ideas of ACC was to prevent people being sued for all sorts of things including negligence in the event of an accident. (No fault cover so to speak.) Knowing that 60% of bike accidents are caused by cars it is reasonable to assume that prior to ACC, a bike rider could sue the pants off a car driver when that driver was the cause of an accident. The claim for damages would include medical costs and loss of income - both things that ACC now covers.

    On this logic it is quite obvious that 60% of the costs that are attributed to bikes should in fact be covered by the car registration because it is the car driver who would have worn the costs previously.

    An argument to be put forward to the polly tishins.
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    Alternatively its worth supporting the existing level of cross subsidisation of riders by drivers... as is being done with pushies and pedestrians, for we offer other benefits (congestion etc)


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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    IMHO, often we drive automatically, using the primitive part of the brain that was programmed by nature to recognise, without apparent thought, danger, threats and prey.

    Often, as a motorcyclist, we are not seen.

    However ...( in David Attenborough voice) the lesser spotted Police Motorcycle in its striking array of blue , red and yellow catches the motorists eye and fear of the flashing blue and red dominates for a few moments until the motorist passes the danger.....

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    Trucks subsidise cars, just doesn't show up because trucks aren't separated in the levy system
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Trucks subsidise cars, just doesn't show up because trucks aren't separated in the levy system
    Of course. The larger vehicle almost always comes off better in a multiple vehicle crash.

    Smaller vehicles are always less afe in a crash, and are always subsidised by larger ones. Its just that the motorcycle is the smallest of all.
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    The best I could work out was 7.2 times more likely to make an ACC claim. (won't show my math yet as I am working on other things)

    as for accidents... not all accidents made by cars make an ACC claim.

    My co worker has been involved in 3 accidents in 2 years... statisitically speaking won't be long before he hits a bike as the current fleet show 21 cars per bike (or something like that)

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    I wont throw this off topic, but Im up here in Saudi Arabia chatting to my wife Rachel via Skype and Campbel live has an interview with BRONZ. Rachey turns the TV up and faces her lappy towards it. Not a bad picture and I watched it all live. Good to see ya again Les and very well spoken too. Wishing I was there of course, but never the less supportuing the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    Of course. The larger vehicle almost always comes off better in a multiple vehicle crash.

    Smaller vehicles are always less afe in a crash, and are always subsidised by larger ones. Its just that the motorcycle is the smallest of all.
    so we can argue since they cause more damage they sould pay higher ACC levies...

    Ah but we are a no fault no blame system (Only when we want it to be) if we want a no faults then motorcycles should not pay any more than the truck or car or van...

    208,305,000 + 62,523,000 = 270,828,000 total car and motorcycle claim (not counting trucks and utility commercial vehicles etc)
    130,213 + 2,788,938 = 2,919,151 fleet
    270,828,000 / 2,919,151 = $92.78 levy required by each vehicle at present car is $168 and a bike is $253



    You do the math

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balding Eagle View Post
    ...Knowing that 60% of bike accidents are caused by cars ...
    and there we go again, no wonder why katman keeps throwing wobblies. 60% OF 2 VEHICLE ACCIDENTS INVOLVING A MOTORCYCLE and a car are caused by the car. The reality is most motorcycle accidents ARE SINGLE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. There numbers are right there, in fact being thrust in our faces from thread to thread at the moment, and people still can't see them! OMG!!!!!!

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    How many accidents are caused by unmarked road works that we already pay an extra few cents a litre to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrispy121 View Post
    How many accidents are caused by unmarked road works that we already pay an extra few cents a litre to do?
    I nearly had one of them last year going to the mates rally... fresh road works on a corner, no marking or signs the road crew were still there and had just packed them up but there was still a hell of a lot of loose grit... we were lucky

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    Food for thought. What is an ACC bike claim ? Its not just accidents that add to the stats.

    Real Example.
    My last bike was a Xt660, when I went to look at it, I wore shorts. The previous owner had just done a warm up ride. I leaned over the bike and burnt my leg on the exhaust. The burn was bad enough to have to go to A&E and have it treated, with several follow up re-dressings.

    The incident was put down as a MotorBike related ACC injury. So was added to the stats for Bikes. The bike was parked, I have never turned the key and or even sat on it. But ACC added one more claim to the stats.

    The nurse who was treating me informed me this was a common type of burn, and even showed me hers.

    At the time everyone laughed at my story.

    Go figure, if I have burnt myself on a cigarette, no one would be making me pay $500 a year more and I would still be laughing.
    Please Mr ACC, my 1300cc bike was passed by a 400cc bike on a track day, can I have my fees reduced ?

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    BTW I hope what ever the outcome of tonight's meeting will to posted to this thread. And sorry for not making tonight, but I will be at what ever rally is organized to show our feeling.
    Please Mr ACC, my 1300cc bike was passed by a 400cc bike on a track day, can I have my fees reduced ?

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    hmmmm W.O.F

    Flat fee on WOF's (say $5 or $10) ie 2,919,151 vehicles (again not not counting trucks etc and assuming that all these are once a year, but there will be a good percentage that are every 6 months.)

    2,919,151 x $5 = $14,595,755 (this would be a lot higher counting the older vehicles in the fleet)

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