Close Up tonight (22 October)

[FJRider]

Basically were screwed....The govt and ACC have made their mind up...that never listen to any of the arguements, acc are getting shit from govt, they respond by hitting any small groups and everyone is happy....
My gut tells me I will be paying $850 a year to have my bike legal...
Pissed off!!!! yes, hikoi!!! no, won't do anything. We need legal guys to lobby govt..and the BRONZ guy isn't good enough sorry!

BULLSHIT ... It ain't over yet ...

[Kevnz]

Another great interview Les.It makes you wonder how many bullshit statistics we get feed every day out of the Beehive.

[pzkpfw]

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/s2009-10-22-video-3082363

But don't go there 'till I've finished watching...


Edit: you buggers. Now it's frozen.


Les was FANTASTIC.

Looked like a good ordinary Kiwi bloke, versus the suit who didn't have his facts straight.

Wonderful.

[THundy]

Yes, They feed us what they want the general public to hear to suit the agenda they are wanting. If I could give any advise, get a politician to fight for us...doesn't the labour guy ride a bike? who else owns/rides???
Get smart now....
E-mail your local Mp, Nick Smith, the assoc ACC minister, the laeder of all parties....

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

E-mail your local Mp, Nick Smith, the assoc ACC minister, the laeder of all parties....

We have been and we all get the same stardard reply

[bogan]

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/s2009-10-22-video-3082363

But don't go there 'till I've finished watching...

just finished watching it, fucking brilliant, that oughta stir things up, good on ya Les

[mynameis]

Yes, They feed us what they want the general public to hear to suit the agenda they are wanting. If I could give any advise, get a politician to fight for us...doesn't the labour guy ride a bike? who else owns/rides???
Get smart now....
E-mail your local Mp, Nick Smith, the assoc ACC minister, the laeder of all parties....

What email Dr Nick Smith to come out and protest for us

[colinok]

I don't like Katman either, but I think this needs clarification (i.e., "katman's right, you're wrong!")
http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...-Factsheet.pdf

Single vehicle, no rider fault: 3%
Single vehicle, rider fault: 26%
Multi vehicle, rider fault: 25%
Multi vehicle, rider partial fault: 7%
Multi vehicle, car's fault: 39%

So, based on faults:
- no one's fault: 3%
- rider makes a mistake: 58%
- cager's fault: 39%

Just feel lucky I didn't red bling you, but I believe you owe an apology and/or Katman can red bling you.

And I need to add that ACC is no fault system. Meaning the cause of accident should be irrelevant to the levy. The only affecting factors should be the average cost of claims and the number of claims per year. In other words, we can have 99% of the bikers crashing and still low levy if no one is injured. But that's in an utopian world I think.

Who decided the fault in these cases? My daughter (in a car) got hit from BEHIND by a petrol tanker and the cops held her accountable for not being seen just because she was on her Restricted Licence! Seems on that count the most vulnerable is the cause of most accidents so of course bikes are usually the cause.

[Slyer]

Good work! I'm happy that Mark was nice to you as well.
The guy in the suit has "Prick" written all over him.

[Scouse]

hmmmm...we need some politicians help....right now do bikers really expect our protect will work from Les' interview? even though he did really well?....personally i dont think politicians would really care eh regardless of who..John Key or Helen Clark..theyre politicians...we need politicians to lobby it..someone like Obama might do....

Me no no you sa wat

[nothingflash]

Me no no you sa wat

Yeah - in case you have a good point can you say that again?

[MyGSXF:Me]

Looked like a good ordinary Kiwi bloke, versus the suit who didn't have his facts straight.

It sure did!

Well done Les!!!

[Trollkid]

If you are after some stat's... A fellow rider who is a researcher put this submission together based on the facts on the ACC website. Shows that ACC have not looked at their own data!

[JMemonic]

Well done again Ixion, your doing a great job, now where do I send this?

Dr McLey (sp?) I truly disagree that as a motorcyclist I am more likely to be involved in an accident as you publicly stated on TVNZ's show closeup. I agree that should I be involved in a crash I am more likely to sustain injury, although this may be as minor as some bruising due to my purchasing appropriate gear.

Motorcycle accidents have many causes some are no doubt down to riders not riding to the conditions but many may have other contributing factors such as the poor conditions of some of our roads, some may say that is not riding to the conditions but when you are suddenly faced with grit in a corner on a section of road that is supposed to be a high speed road and there has been no warning signs to indicate this possibility who is at fault. Would the ACC figures would record that as a solo motorcycle accident as no other vehicle was involved regardless of the fact the grit and lack of signage was a contributing factor, or lets imagine for a moment it was diesel spilt on the road from a vehicle that was known about but noting had been done to notify motorists of the dangers. Please note these are not hypothetical situations.

Or as an of another vehicle involved, but not in a manner that would cause damage to that vehicle, the ignorant motorist who in her rush to go where she was going, on converging lanes in a 60kph area of Christchurch attempted to force her way into the lane I occupied, I was travelling straight, had checked both my mirrors and blind spot, was indicating to merge when a car that was 20-30 meters behind at the start of the manoeuvre was suddenly alongside on my left, travelling at speed far in excess of the posted limit and literally forced herself into the space I needed to occupy to maintain safety, I was forced to ride between her and a line of oncoming traffic, in an unsafe manner as she continued to move to her right giving the appearance of intending to force me into the oncoming vehicles.

My saving factor was the additional training I have undertaken at my own expense, unsubsidised by ACC.

[carver]

any ideas what we do if ACC has its figures spot on?