Close Up tonight (22 October)

[SixPackBack]

any ideas what we do if ACC has its figures spot on?

No chance. Even a cursory calculation creates more questions than it answers.

[nothingflash]

Well done again Ixion, your doing a great job, now where do I send this?

Dr McLey (sp?) I truly disagree that as a motorcyclist I am more likely to be involved in an accident as you publicly stated on TVNZ's show closeup. I agree that should I be involved in a crash I am more likely to sustain injury, although this may be as minor as some bruising due to my purchasing appropriate gear.

Motorcycle accidents have many causes some are no doubt down to riders not riding to the conditions but many may have other contributing factors such as the poor conditions of some of our roads, some may say that is not riding to the conditions but when you are suddenly faced with grit in a corner on a section of road that is supposed to be a high speed road and there has been no warning signs to indicate this possibility who is at fault. Would the ACC figures would record that as a solo motorcycle accident as no other vehicle was involved regardless of the fact the grit and lack of signage was a contributing factor, or lets imagine for a moment it was diesel spilt on the road from a vehicle that was known about but noting had been done to notify motorists of the dangers. Please note these are not hypothetical situations.

Or as an of another vehicle involved, but not in a manner that would cause damage to that vehicle, the ignorant motorist who in her rush to go where she was going, on converging lanes in a 60kph area of Christchurch attempted to force her way into the lane I occupied, I was travelling straight, had checked both my mirrors and blind spot, was indicating to merge when a car that was 20-30 meters behind at the start of the manoeuvre was suddenly alongside on my left, travelling at speed far in excess of the posted limit and literally forced herself into the space I needed to occupy to maintain safety, I was forced to ride between her and a line of oncoming traffic, in an unsafe manner as she continued to move to her right giving the appearance of intending to force me into the oncoming vehicles.

My saving factor was the additional training I have undertaken at my own expense, unsubsidised by ACC.

Nice one - are you able to send it in to Close Up perhaps? Maybe via their website?

[mossy1200]

Who decided the fault in these cases? My daughter (in a car) got hit from BEHIND by a petrol tanker and the cops held her accountable for not being seen just because she was on her Restricted Licence! Seems on that count the most vulnerable is the cause of most accidents so of course bikes are usually the cause.

I second that.All the claims and where does the info get lodged about faults unless the fuzz comes.Fuzz dont go to every crash.
Next thing is all these MX and dirty bike accidents that get chucked in the mix are hardly going to have cars involved are they.

ACC form reads.I was jumping the river bank when f..k me but a car was jumping from the other side and I was unable to avoid him without bailing and braking ankle on log.

[Supermac Jr]

any ideas what we do if ACC has its figures spot on?

Good point - Then we find fault with their assumptions...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

any ideas what we do if ACC has its figures spot on?

The first question is why publish false data?

[Ronin]

Do you always have to be such a cunt?

Yes... Yes he does... It's genetic

[JMemonic]

Nice one - are you able to send it in to Close Up perhaps? Maybe via their website?

Done but it may take 24 hours to get to the site.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

My saving factor was the additional training I have undertaken at my own expense, unsubsidised by ACC.

And a bigger bike with the horses


oh wait

[EJK]

Watching the video now. Awesome Ixion.

[PrincessBandit]

I don't think that the information that the ACC guy was prepared to hand over is the information that we need. We need full disclosure of all motorcycle accident information. Not just bare numbers.

If that exposes dirt bike riders and farm bike riders as being accountable, so be it.

Yes, I was interested to see him say he'd give over the figures but looked decidedly shifty when Les asked "and the data behind it please" (ok, maybe he didn't say please...) I for one will be interested to know what actually gets handed over if this man is true to his word.

Act or Maori party would have the most impact....maybe we could get a photo of Rodney on a yellow Duc...in his yellow jacket

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure Tariana was cozying up with John the other day on the telly saying they'd support Nationals in this. I could be wrong though (it has been known to happen).

Who decided the fault in these cases? My daughter (in a car) got hit from BEHIND by a petrol tanker and the cops held her accountable for not being seen just because she was on her Restricted Licence! Seems on that count the most vulnerable is the cause of most accidents so of course bikes are usually the cause.

Unfortunately for us we rarely have any say in how the stats are jotted down. It does seem dodgy for the police to use the Restricted as making her accountable for not being seen.

Well done again Ixion, your doing a great job, now where do I send this? .......

Dr McLey (sp?) I truly disagree that as a motorcyclist I am more likely to be involved in an accident as you publicly stated on TVNZ's show closeup. .

I think the "involved" word was possibly a slip of the tongue when he said that. If it is actually what he intended to say then he's an idiot.

Yes I too think Les did a great job. I'm sure the suit would have loved him to come across as a less than intelligent spouting off the top of his head ignorant yobbo rather than the well thought out prepared man he faced. Time is always extremely limited in these situations and I think the reasonable and restrained way Les spoke gave a very good impression to Joe Public. Let's face it, lots of people couldn't really give a shit about something that doesn't relate directly to them (i.e. non-riders in this case) and even more so if the sector it's aimed at is seen as unsavoury or, in an extreme, bordering on criminal. Les did a great job allowing a differing view of bikers instead of being seen as a group which probably ranks alongside "boy racers" in many people's opinions.

[Dadpole]

The first question is why publish false data?

ACC would say it is not false data, just that there 'may' have been small errors in interpretation.
True or false, the best thing to do is spread the fear among the populace. Let people know that they will be next on the ACC "cost recovery" exercise. Let car owners know of previous ACC mutterings about:
Increased levies for cars not meeting the latest frontal impact ratings.
Increased levies for cars with large capacity engines.
Spread the fear!

[PrincessBandit]

Yes... Yes he does... It's genetic

Hey sweety, leave genes out of it.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

ACC would say it is not false data, just that there 'may' have been small errors in interpretation.
True or false, the best thing to do is spread the fear among the populace. Let people know that they will be next on the ACC "cost recovery" exercise. Let car owners know of previous ACC mutterings about:
Increased levies for cars not meeting the latest frontal impact ratings.
Increased levies for cars with large capacity engines.
Spread the fear!

small errors...
130,213 x 3700 = $481,788,100 just under half a billion (even if not all regestered etc still does add up)

the combined car and bike claims is only $270,828,000

somewhere something is simply not adding up



270,828,000 / 2,919,151 = $92.78 levy required by each car, bike and moped to cover this years claims

[JMemonic]

I think the "involved" word was possibly a slip of the tongue when he said that. If it is actually what he intended to say then he's an idiot.

Not sure about that being a slip of the tongue as they (ACC, and the minister) have used that language in the media before, I am sure its a well thought out line, there was a statement made motorcycles were 16 percent more likely to be involved in a crash recently.

[eelracing]

The first question is why publish false data?

Because National are trying to pull a snowjob on the NZ public.

They are bullshitting the figures to pay for FORECASTED future costs.

And remember it suits their agenda (they pledged this pre election)to privatise ACC for their business toadies.