BIKEOI - When? The final poll

[klingon]

Yes a chick would be good.

But for the "in front of Parlaiment" bit the person needs to be high profile and photogenic,male or female. We need it to be theatrical.

I don't know any high profile chicks that ride (or even pillion ). Sorry ladies no offence, but what I'm looking for here is a "household name".

Yeah sorry, Ixion. I can't help there either. I will ask around my contacts but I think our best hope is to get the whole Kiwibiker team working their contact lists. Someone must know a high-profile, attractive, female biker who would be prepared to take on the role.

Of course we would offer her plenty of support in the background - she wouldn't be expected to know all the facts already as we would give her plenty of coaching. She just needs to be prepared to put her name and face out there.

This would be an excellent career move for a Kiwi actress wanting a bit more exposure.

PS could we please keep this train of thought reasonably 'clean.' Yes I know I used the word exposure. Yes I know all you blokes like to talk about boobs on bikes at every opportunity. But if we want a high-profile female presenting our case, we need to treat her with respect.

[naphazoline]

What about asking Lula?

She's quite likely to know someone who's high profile,and she know a lot of chick bikers.

Just a thought.

[Ixion]

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Of course we would offer her plenty of support in the background - she wouldn't be expected to know all the facts already as we would give her plenty of coaching. She just needs to be prepared to put her name and face out there.

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She wouldn't even really need that - there'd be plenty of supporters there that would she could just refer tricky questions. I'm thinking here of someone to be the smiling face not the answer person.

Just need someone high profile, photogenic. We need to make the Wellington arrival a theatrical event, a spectacle. And if we can't take the bikes into Parliament grounds, we risk the whole thing becoming just a bunch of people in funny clothes trudging on foot to some obscure place behind the boiler room where they're going to alow us to meet.

[klingon]

She wouldn't even really need that - there'd be plenty of supporters there that would she could just refer tricky questions. I'm thinking here of someone to be the smiling face not the answer person.

Just need someone high profile, photogenic. We need to make the Wellington arrival a theatrical event, a spectacle. And if we can't take the bikes into Parliament grounds, we risk the whole thing becoming just a bunch of people in funny clothes trudging on foot to some obscure place behind the boiler room where they're going to alow us to meet.

Troo troo Mr Ixion.

BUT if she had a pretty face AND knew what she was talking about it would be even more effective. We can't help with the face issue but we can definitely help with the knowledge issue.

[klingon]

What about asking Lula?

She's quite likely to know someone who's high profile,and she know a lot of chick bikers.

Just a thought.

Great idea. will someone who knows Lula please PM her and ask if she has any ideas for us? (I would feel a bit rude if my first ever PM to someone was a request for help )

[Ixion]

Troo troo Mr Ixion.

BUT if she had a pretty face AND knew what she was talking about it would be even more effective. We can't help with the face issue but we can definitely help with the knowledge issue.

The more the better. But even more important than a pretty face (I'd be just as happy with a crinkly grandmother actually), is that she is well known. A celebrity type person.

The press, bless their little hearts , are a shallow and sensationalist bunch.

If we can't provide punchups, arson, random public copulation or bleeding crash victims, they will not be very interested in us.

If there is a celebrity involved however they will fall over each other to cover the event.

Makes me despair of the human race , I'm glad I'm no longer a member. But, that's the way it is

[StoneY]

I dont agree at all with getting a famous female whos attractive to look at (rider or not)

'I dont believe a 'pretty face and fame' makes for any more credibility then Les himself earned the other night

I have had total strangers, and high up work colleagues say 'wow that guy on 20/20 knew his shit, he had ACC suit utterly stumped'

This 'we need a celebrity' is way off target, off subject, and un-constructive

Biker, sure, famous, maybe, politician, NO (motivations suspect) but this person HAS to be someone down to earth, normal every day Kiwi

Were losing focus worrying about some possible famous spunk who the Nation will love at a glance, and thats not whats needed

FACTs, the proof ACC lied, and real street cred is all we need

[Ixion]

Horses for courses.

I don't really think that when the BIKEOI arrives at the Beehive we will get into a debate with anyone.

That's show time, not question time.

My role was to cut the ground from under the feet of the ACC and politicians by making it impossible for them to take the "Well of course bikers are angry. So what, they're all a bunch of antisocial bludging 1%ers, the sooner they're taxed off the road the better". Which was (I'm sure, anyway) where Key and Smith were taking it, following the NSW biker legislation example. They can't go there now, Uncle Les just obviously isn't that.

The role of whoever fronts the arrival of the BIKEOI is something different. ACC won't even be there, any political presence will be of a purely "We understand your concerns, trust us" variety.

What the front for the BIKEOI *does* have to do, is make every editor go "Wow, we HAVE to cover this , on prime time".

I won't get that response. Someone else may

Doesn't have to be a chick. But there's advantage in keeping them guessing, and in showing the many faces of motorcycling.

[klingon]

I liked the priest in the Nelson protest wearing his dog-collar & all. The camera just couldn't resist him.

[StoneY]

Pretty sure the shear numbers is gonna get us on every damn TV news show, 20/20, 60 minutes, the works

Was just my opinion tho, happy to go with the majority of course


Edit:
Ive told TV1 and TV3 and Maori TV...any more we need to alert?

[davereid]

What the front for the BIKEOI *does* have to do, is make every editor go "Wow, we HAVE to cover this , on prime time".

IM WITH IKE.. er IX..

Pick the right chick, and our cause will be in all the immediate media like TV and radio, but will also be in all the longer term stuff like "womans day - weekly, (monthly?)..." you know, "how ACC have poked us in the eye" piccy of doris and ATGATT clad child on Harley...

[Ixion]

Pretty sure the shear numbers is gonna get us on every damn TV news show, 20/20, 60 minutes, the works

Was just my opinion tho, happy to go with the majority of course


Edit:
Ive told TV1 and TV3 and Maori TV...any more we need to alert?

not too confident on those numbers. Especially if we have to park the bikes up here there and around and walk in.

[2wheeldrifter]

What about asking Lula, she's could handle that I am sure, she does media work etc for the bike trader, just a thought...

now were was I....

[StoneY]

not too confident on those numbers. Especially if we have to park the bikes up here there and around and walk in.

Speaker has yet to answer me on access

But he made Ulysses stay off grounds, I have seen the official letter and it reads 'as with all protest action, no vehicles are allowed on the grounds, this is standard policy and will not be compromised'

So despite our numbers I have little faith we will be allowed in the gates, even though the Police have backed my request to enter....

We shall see
But loads, I mean LOADS of nearby parking, Thanks Council (coning off half of molesworth st and all nearby pavement) and I am sure we will 'adapt' as required

[Ixion]

Maybe I should clarify.

Not suggesting we get some "person of pulchritude" (is that politically correct enough?) to take over fronting the whole ACC protest.

Just the bit when we arrive at the Beehive and get sent to the boggy bit behind the boiler house. I'm assuming that someone will say something (even if it's only "Oi, you mongrels piss off".)

We want the TV news to make a big thing of it

But, TV news , current affairs programmes etc are entertainment. Not intended (usually) for informing , let alone spreading data.

And for entertainment, we need an entertainer. Which I emphatically am not.

The editors that send reporters to cover these things do not do so because they want the public to be better informed. They do so in the hope that something entertaining will happen.

Entertaining in our context means fights , riots, bloodshed, people arrested etc. - I bet, BTW that we are a terribly sore point with the news editors. Thousands of angry bikers and not ONE shot of someone getting the bash, anyone getting arrested etc. What's the world coming to.

Think of it from the point of view of Joe Q Public, that deep and incisive thinker.

He turns on the news "What's on, dear?" says Mrs Joe. "Oh, just those bikers complaining about ACC levies again" "Is it interesting" "No, just that old guy making a speech. Boooorrrring . What's on Sky".

Compare with "..." "Is it interesting" , "Hey, YEAH. That's Paris Hilton! I GOT to watch this".

(I know Ms Hilton does not ride. But you get the idea)

Actually if we could run a double team of Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt we could take over the country.

But the Wellington gig needs an entertainer to front it. I am not an entertainer. Nor I think are any of those so far involved (apologies if someone has unnoticed talents . Hitcher?)