Not allowed to hand out BikersAgainstACCLevies pamphlet at CHCH Biketoberfest

[Conquiztador]

The holy er than thou Acc grizlers on this thread are probobly the sort of tossers that gate crash a party and want to put there own music on ,did not get to bike fest but well done rolling thunder and all the other dealers,clubs etc ,there is a minority on this site that hides behind the vale of animinty and throws a heap of shit, i mean whats danger barstards agender, get over yourself i reckon you must be one of them little hoody wearing pricks slouched in the front seat of a cage

I see you have 3 bikes over 600cc...

[GOONR]

The Kiwibiker community can be brutal towards dealers and where there have been CLEAR inaccuracies in regards to my business in the past I have been strongly discouraged by my team from posting a correction for fear of being torn apart anyway.

Yes this place can be brutal, normal joe bloggs kinda people will generally speak about their bad experiences rather than their good ones.. marketing 101, make sure they walk away feeling good.

This is different.

You've thrown a bloody big, and rather inaccurate, hand grenade behind a cloak of anonymity that has the potential to negatively impact on a very good man's livelihood.

As a participant in and witness to events your post inaccurately portrays I'm not going to allow this to go unanswered.

In our conversation we covered a LOT more than what you describe.

If you were confused at the time as your post states, why did you not ask for clarification at the time instead of disparaging a good man and his business on the internet hours later in such a biased and inaccurate manner?

Why didn't you consider saying something along the lines of "can I speak to one of the Biketoberfest organizers and ask about handing out some pamphlets"?

Fair call.

Why did you not take up Dave Golightly on his offer to hand out your leaflets at the road closure entrance/exit of the Biketoberfest event and leave people alone when actually enjoying the event and not pestered with "ACC levies" every 5 seconds?.

I doubt that many people would have been put out by being handed a leaflet, shit it happens every day on the high street.

Why did you not mention in your post the fact that we clearly communicated to you that all of the organizers representing the local motorcycle industry and motorcycle club community unanimously agreed to keep the event positive?

I think that handing out leaflets to (mostly bikers) would generally been seen as a positive thing to be doing given the current situation. If there is an issue that people feel passionate about and it affects many people, even indirectly, Tsunami for example, people get out hand out leaflets and spread the word.

Why did you not mention in your post how I clearly shared with you the Biketoberfest organizers united opinion that the best response to the ACC levy issue is for us to talk one on one with other motorcyclists to make individual and well worded submissions?

I think that has view has been mentioned many times on this site and is well understood by the majority, indeed many people have made individual submissions but a collective voice is also a loud voice.

Why did you not mention in your post how I clearly shared with you how important the Biketoberfest organizers felt it was to win the hearts and minds of the many non-riding public in attendance by showing them we aren't a bunch of angry, rude, and militant dirtbags.......but their friends and neighbours.

If you follow this site as you mentioned above how have you missed the fact that most of the posts have been along this very line, don't upset joe bloggs but get the point across.

Half the reason why I'm so fcuking pissed off right now is that a good man is being disparaged inappropriately.

Ask anyone who knows me....I don't talk to or treat customers like this.

The other 50% is the bullshit assumption that somehow Dave, myself, or any of the many other industry or enthusiast organizers somehow don't care.

I don't know you or Dave or anyone in the industry, I'm just going by what both sides have posted here, to be honest, you haven't done yourself any favours.

When I found out about the levy increase I, like many, flipped the fuck out.

That is the kind of emotion that the general riding population need, it is what has fired up so many. Not just on this site but the riding population as a whole.

[vstrom]

the holy er than thou are also concerned with spelling,

[Eurodave]

So , anyway, has anyone got any pix theyd like to share? I didnt take a camera today

[NONONO]

This thread is just going to run and run until an argument gets out of hand and it's closed down.

As an aside, I listened to a bloke whinge about some trivial issue with the dealership today whilst helping himself to their hospitality. I swear I wouldn't have the patience ...

Sorry mate, just will not do.
So some of your mates are getting a hard time, looks from the evidence that they deserve it.
Stop making apologies for them...let them front up and give us the facts. So far it's been rambling diversion and slight of hand. This IS the biggest issue to face the industry and it's customers in NZ for a long long time, we need to know who supports us and who does not.
Shit or get off the pot.

[Hitcher]

the holy er than thou are also concerned with spelling,

I'm pleased that somebody is.

[vstrom]

I see you have 3 bikes over 600cc...
and your point is?

[nrc]

A lot of people are talking about the relationship between ACC and Biketoberfest... this is just a guess here (as I just enjoyed a bloody good day of motorcycling)... but Ride Forever (www.rideforever.co.nz), which is one of the sponsors is "Powered by ACC"... So Ride Forever gets it's funds from ACC (or is ACC in a cool disguise), and in turn supports this bloody good event.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong... and despite all this thread, I really do appreciate the good work by the organisers, running events like this is nothing short of legendary.

NRC.

[Molly]

So , anyway, has anyone got any pix theyd like to share? I didnt take a camera today

Saw the bloke who runs kiwibikers.co.nz taking pics today. No doubt there will be lots on that site soon.

[JohnR]

A lot of people are talking about the relationship between ACC and Biketoberfest... this is just a guess here (as I just enjoyed a bloody good day of motorcycling)... but Ride Forever (www.rideforever.co.nz), which is one of the sponsors is "Powered by ACC"... So Ride Forever gets it's funds from ACC (or is ACC in a cool disguise), and in turn supports this bloody good event.


NRC.

If this is true, why couldn't Mr Rolling Thunder have just told us this?:slap:

[MaxB]

hey... Id just be happy to find out the relationship between ACC and bikefest?

You are on to it mate.

I also want to know what the tie in with ACC is and the timing of it.

[caseye]

Where are you Mr Lake man?
ACC and Biketoberfests relationship details are not necessary, we here simply want to know if there is a relationship that stops you allowing concerned bikers from approaching members of the general public at a bike show.
How hard is that? course now for many here it seems there is some sort of relationship, which may be prejudiced if you were seen as supporting bikers agaisnt ACC.
Did I say "you"? sorry should have said you and all the other bike merchants involved in biketoberfest! Something is beginning to smell very bad here.
Please, do come back and answer the simple question, what is the nature of the relationship between ACC and biketoberfest?

Ixion I too will follow you anywhere including to Welly and back and anywhere damn well else that we/I may be required.

[Conquiztador]

I see you have 3 bikes over 600cc...
and your point is?

2250 points.

[Molly]

Sorry mate, just will not do ... we need to know who supports us and who does not.
Shit or get off the pot.

I took part in yesterday's protest. I've written to the entire Cabinet. And I'm as pissed off with the increases as anybody (three bike family).

I just think badgering the owner of a dealership like this is unnecessary. He can't win. For every response he posts there'll be a dozen people waiting in the wings to take a shot. Chris is a decent bloke who doesn't deserve this shit but that won't bother the legions of barrack-room lawyers from offering their 2c on an incident they didn't witness. What a shit way to round-off a great, free bike event day.

[gammaguy]

so the event was sponsored by ACC(under a disguise or a different name-whatever)?

So the people with vested interests in the bike show(good as it may or may not have been)are scared to upset the "sponsors"because they opened the chequebook and bankrolled the event?

a few points arise from this:

1)ITS OUR MONEY ANYWAY,WE PAY IT WHEN WE WORK,LICENCE A VEHICLE,PLAY SPORT!

2)this was a perfect opportunity to show ACC we cannot be bought and sold.

3)defending them and refusing a leaflet drop merely confirms their attitude-that we are a bunch of idiots who can be shut up easily,and are not to be taken seriously.

4)if the organisers REALLY believe that ACC is wrong,and that the rights of bikers come first,then they should have REFUSED the sponsorhip money.SIMPLE

Lets cut thru all the bullshit,and Mr Rolling Thunder-explain that away if you can.