Southland Times this morning (3 Nov), bike 'accident' pic

[EgliHonda]

Page 3, not a lovely firm set of breasts, like you get in the classy pom papers, but a large picture of a Suzuki lying damaged and the poor rider being attended to in the background. Story read something like '42 year old bike rider injured, 76 year old lady shaken but unhurt after collision. It appeared she did not give way at the intersection'...

Tell me this. WHY DOES THIS SILLY OLD BINT NOT HAVE TO PAY HIGHER ACC LEVIES?

Shouldn't she, as the cause of this 'accident' have to bear the brunt of the costs involved, considering the poor joker on the bike did nothing wrong, apart from share road space with a moron? How about she pays $1000 per year rego for say, 5 years as a result of being at fault.
Too simple? or would this not do as it might actually make people think about consequences...

[PirateJafa]

Bad idea.

My mate was found at fault by the police after he t-boned a little old lady - who had decided to pul an impromptu, un-indicated u-turn across his path. He's appealing it, of course. But with these kinds of awe-inspiring deductive powers, I'd rather leave them out of the equation.

[scumdog]

Page 3, not a lovely firm set of breasts, like you get in the classy pom papers, but a large picture of a Suzuki lying damaged and the poor rider being attended to in the background. Story read something like '42 year old bike rider injured, 76 year old lady shaken but unhurt after collision. It appeared she did not give way at the intersection'....

Invers is notorious for people not giving way/stopping when they should, never trust anybody to obey traffic lights or road signs if you are riding riding around that city.

[EgliHonda]

Invers is notorious for people not giving way/stopping when they should, never trust anybody to obey traffic lights or road signs if you are riding riding around that city.

Oh I don't, believe me.
And don't get me started on the use of (or lack of) indicators in this fair city...
Guess I was ranting a bit, but point was it could have been a cyclist, a child crossing the road or anything really she hit, and 'I didn't see him/her/it' seems to be an adequate excuse...?

[Bren]

I guess thats what you get for livin in the deep souf.....redneck heaven!

[CookMySock]

How about she pays $1000 per year rego for say, 5 years as a result of being at fault. Too simple?

Yes. And it won't work because ACC is a no-blame scheme where everyone pays the same.

...as it might actually make people think about consequences...

Yes it would, but that is not the point. The point is, bikers are a pushover, and they are able to pay. So they get targetted.

You are wasting your time trying to talk common sense. You don't win battles with common sense - you win battles with vicious tactics.

Steve

[EgliHonda]

I guess thats what you get for livin in the deep souf.....redneck heaven!

Oh, but the roads, the roads...

[Katman]

But of course we'll assume the motorcyclist was travelling at the speed limit.

[vifferman]

Well, I was, when someone u-turned in front of me without looking or indicating. Why do you always assume the motorcyclist is the one at fault?

[Maha]

Well, I was, when someone u-turned in front of me without looking or indicating. Why do you always assume the motorcyclist is the one at fault?

I dont think he does, he is pointing out that we assume the car is always at fault.

[Katman]

I dont think he does, he is pointing out that we assume the car is always at fault.

Thanks Mark, I knew someone would get it.

[brendonjw]

But of course we'll assume the motorcyclist was travelling at the speed limit.

I know your all about bikers taking responsibility and i agree we do, but i fail to see how this comes up in this scenario. Give way signs are just that, designed to make you slow down/stop judge the speed of any other vehicles and if you can make it across safely then go, this lady obviously failed to do this. Even if we do say the rider was been speeding it could have just as easily been a cop car or ambulance speeding to a accident that she pulled out in front of, as most of the times they dont have their lights or sirens on when travelling down a straight peice of road (well they don't in orkland anyway).

[Katman]

Even if we do say the rider was been speeding.....

If a motorcyclist is speeding and is involved in a collision with a car that pulls out on them then it is a clear case of shared responsibility.

[dipshit]

Give way signs are just that, designed to make you slow down/stop judge the speed of any other vehicles and if you can make it across safely then go

But people do not try to judge the speed of other traffic. They look for a sizeable gap relative to the typical flow of traffic for that bit of road.

By your logic, you could speed through the centre of town at 200kph and expect everybody to give way to you. That isn't going to happen.

Even if we do say the rider was been speeding it could have just as easily been a cop car or ambulance speeding to a accident that she pulled out in front of, as most of the times they dont have their lights or sirens on when travelling down a straight peice of road (well they don't in orkland anyway).

I would be surprised if they aren't using their lights and/or sirens while travelling at higher speeds on a call out.

[brendonjw]

But people do not try to judge the speed of other traffic. They look for a sizeable gap relative to the typical flow of traffic for that bit of road.

By your logic, you could speed through the centre of town at 200kph and expect everybody to give way to you. That isn't going to happen.

how does that work?? it your going straight and someone is at a giveway sign in a sidestreet you are approaching they have to give way to you, it doesnt matter what speed you are going (unless of course you a crawling along and they can safely get out before you reach it) And looking for a "sizeable gap relative to the typical flow of traffic for that bit of road" in a way is judging the speed of traffic.

And as for the lights/siren at least 7 out of every 10 rescue vehicle i see speeding do not have these on unless coming up to a intersection, the main excpetion to this seem to be fire engines. And having lived down the road from Middlemore hospital for a good 15 years i've seen a lot of cops and ambulances speed past..