ACC should be looking at people-movers

[scumdog]

T or H...you choose.

If he picks T I ain't goin' anywhere near him

[brendonjw]

Just a few figures on the matter (now i dont know if the OP was including SUV's in his orignal post but they are one of my pet peevs as well as vehicles driving round the cities with bull bars on) these are just some i found quickly while at work

http://journals.pepublishing.com/con...625w730517ph5/
"11.5 per cent of pedestrians struck by large sport utility vehicles (SUVs) are killed, compared with 4.5 per cent of pedestrians struck by passenger cars. The design of the vehicle front-end structure has a substantial influence on injury outcome when pedestrians are struck by vehicles."

http://www.mrtraffic.com/suv.htm
"Statistics showed that if a small cars weighting less than 2,500 pounds is stuck in the side by a SUV, occupants of the car are 47 times more likely to die. By comparison, when a car hits another auto in the side there are six deaths in the car being hit for every one in the striking vehicle."

[The Pastor]

You fis??

dont you?

[Ixion]

I ain't up on cages.

I see two sorts around. Some are called things like Mazda Bongo. They are obviously forward control vans with some seats in the back

others are called things like Estimas and look like station wagons with a serious obesity problem.

Which sort are we talking about?

[MSTRS:Me]

If he picks T I ain't goin' anywhere near him

Especially not in the wee small hours, and you not in full uniform. ("Truncheon" in hand doesn't count)

[Max Headroom]

I ain't up on cages.

I see two sorts around. Some are called things like Mazda Bongo. They are obviously forward control vans with some seats in the back

others are called things like Estimas and look like station wagons with a serious obesity problem.

Which sort are we talking about?

Both.

At least two of the recent accidents I referred to in my original post involved Toyota Estimas. The Mazda Bongo is another popular variation which is based on a commercial van, a task for which they are adequate. Adding seats & bodies lifts the CoG substantially.

[avgas]

I resent my knees being part of the crumple zone . . . .

Watch where that clutch and brake pedals go in an accident buddy - unless you happened to buy one of the 4 in Europe with an above 3 star safety rating....

[avgas]

Max has brought up a good point though. People such as himself can drive such large vehicles - and feel they are not in control of the vehicle.
Should there be a testing system to see if people can control such large moving objects.
Obviously it is not working very well - as he can still drive these death traps

[Max Headroom]

Max has brought up a good point though. People such as himself can drive such large vehicles - and feel they are not in control of the vehicle.
Should there be a testing system to see if people can control such large moving objects.
Obviously it is not working very well - as he can still drive these death traps

I can only presume you're not yet old enough to vote. Come back when you've grown up, sonny.



Based on your contribution thus far, could be a while . . . . .

[mashman]

Obviously it is not working very well - as he can still drive these death traps

snigger!!!

Max, you're applying exactly the same logic in your argument that ACC are using against motorbikes... i.e. that because you ride/drive vehicle X you are X% more likely to come a cropper... doesn't mean it's going to happen and you still have exactly the same 50/50 chance of an accident today that you did yesterday irrespective of the vehicle that you're driving/riding... throw in any other factor you choose, rain, ice, anything and you've still got a 50/50 chance of having an accident... that's just my take though!!!

[avgas]

I can only presume you're not yet old enough to vote. Come back when you've grown up, sonny.
Based on your contribution thus far, could be a while . . . . .

No not at all Mr spokesperson to coke in the 80's......
Likewise I could make the same claim to you - you seem to forget who is in charge of safety in regards to vehicles.....
it is ironically not a govt department.

[peasea]

Burn them! and all that...

Do witches travel in them?

[avgas]

Do witches travel in them?

Depends if the divorce goes well

[martybabe]

Sorry mate his point loses impact purely due to his "facts" being incorrect.
Something those involved in the ACC campaighn need to be VERY careful oF. Like a staffy in bite mode the press will focus on ONE incorrect "fact

They're against staffys too

OK, anybody wanna buy a 1400cc motorbike, a people mover and a Staffy dog, I'll have nothing left to play with soon.

[FROSTY:Me]

max PLEASE getcha facts straight. The most recent crash (this weekend ) wasn't a people mover it was a commercial type van.
Theres a big difference between a Hiace/bongo/l200/caravan VAN and the toyota previa/L300 spacegear et al.
In one case in an accident indeed the drivers legs are toast whereas the others have crumple zones like a car.
But then if you apply your logic then all commercial vans should also be banned.