What the? And why can't I race in all F4 races at Taupo

**all4A50s** · 3rd November 2009, 20:17

Can someone please explain the logic behind excluding riders such as myself racing in the GP race(s) at Taupo just after Christmas.

I'm not interested in trophies or prize money. All I'm wanting to do is put my bike in a national field and see how well we go after a year of racing and developing it.

And maybe in a year or two when I think I have enough experience and a good enough bike might actually start racing the GP meets.

Surely a race where the grid is full, with potential new blood to compete in future events along with other unknowns is alot more exiting and fun to watch than the same bikes/riders.

I also find it a bit rude they have decided to bring this in now when I have already entered, paid and arranged time off work to go.

Since learning a week ago of this ruling I have tried to come up with a logical reason for this rule and all I can come up with is they are trying to get more money or some gp rider has got their knickers in a twist about possibly being beaten by some new comer.

**bucketracer** · 3rd November 2009, 20:31

Originally Posted by all4A50s

Can someone please explain the logic behind excluding riders such as myself racing in the GP race(s) at Taupo just after Christmas.

What are you on about????....why are you excluded????....What ruling????...Are the grids over subscribed????

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**Sketchy_Racer** · 3rd November 2009, 21:32

Well your assumptions are way out the left field there mate!

It's because the F4 GP is a 'National' title and unless you have a full competition licence you are not allowed to race in 'national' races.

I assume you plan on doing the TRRS on a 'day licence' ? I hope you have a current membership to a MNZ affiliated club as you could be excluded if you don't have that as well!

You are still allowed to race in all the other races it is just the one particular race that you are not eligible for.
Pays to read the rule book it is all in there!

**all4A50s** · 4th November 2009, 05:19

Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer

Well your assumptions are way out the left field there mate!

It's because the F4 GP is a 'National' title and unless you have a full competition licence you are not allowed to race in 'national' races.

I assume you plan on doing the TRRS on a 'day licence' ? I hope you have a current membership to a MNZ affiliated club as you could be excluded if you don't have that as well!

You are still allowed to race in all the other races it is just the one particular race that you are not eligible for.
Pays to read the rule book it is all in there!

Yes I will be doing the the TRRS on a day licence. I know it's only one race. What I want to know is why?

I thought to get a licence you had to have raced in a certain number of races before you could get a licence anyway. Considering this rate its going to take me years to have raced in enough races to qualify.

**UNSTABLE** · 4th November 2009, 05:42

Originally Posted by all4A50s

I thought to get a licence you had to have raced in a certain number of races before you could get a licence anyway. Considering this rate its going to take me years to have raced in enough races to qualify.

Err, no, if you have 2 recent 'day' licenses you receive a discount on the cost of a race license. If you are racing regularly you should have a full MNZ license anyway, it is a requirement at most clubs.

**Kickaha** · 4th November 2009, 05:46

Originally Posted by all4A50s

Yes I will be doing the the TRRS on a day licence. I know it's only one race. What I want to know is why?

I thought to get a licence you had to have raced in a certain number of races before you could get a licence anyway. Considering this rate its going to take me years to have raced in enough races to qualify.

You can get a race licence without having done any events but MNZ rules state (or at least used to)that to do a National event you need to have done 3 events before hand

Nothing whatsoever to do with them getting more money of a GP rider having their knickers in a twist

**Muzzab** · 4th November 2009, 07:38

Originally Posted by Kickaha

You can get a race licence without having done any events but MNZ rules state (or at least used to)that to do a National event you need to have done 3 events before hand

Nothing whatsoever to do with them getting more money of a GP rider having their knickers in a twist

I only started racing this year as well. It's the same for Street Racing. To race in the Greymouth Street Races I had to have a MNZ Licence and at least three stamps in the log book. It was no trouble getting the MNZ Licence, I had to join an affiliated club as well. It's a shame that it has upset your plans, but all I can say is get on with getting a licence it's worth it.

Cheers
Muzza

**Trudes** · 4th November 2009, 08:25

Currently in Wellington we do not need a MNZ licence to race our buckets so many of us don't have one but are racing at least once a month.

George, it may be worth looking into getting an MNZ licence if you're thinking of doing much racing out of town as I'm pretty sure everywhere else requires you to have one or purchase a day licence. It only takes a few day licences to pay for a full years one. Also we will most likely be having a few meetings next year in Wellington that will require you to have an MNZ licence, so may as well just get one.

**racer40** · 4th November 2009, 20:02

sorry AllA50s, we are not trying to get more money or anything like that, in fact we do all possible to make it as cheap as poss for the riders. It is a MNZ rule for a national race,we dont mind everyone in together but it is the MNZ stewerds decision. last year the stewerd "let us off" & let everyone race but not allowed to get a placing, which we thought was fair. new stewerd this year. If he upholds the rule, you can still go in other races, & we will let day licences race in S/stock race as well to make up for it , sorry again but it is not in our hands. Chris

**Buckets4Me** · 4th November 2009, 20:22

Originally Posted by racer40

sorry AllA50s, we are not trying to get more money or anything like that, in fact we do all possible to make it as cheap as poss for the riders. It is a MNZ rule for a national race,we dont mind everyone in together but it is the MNZ stewerds decision. last year the stewerd "let us off" & let everyone race but not allowed to get a placing, which we thought was fair. new stewerd this year. If he upholds the rule, you can still go in other races, & we will let day licences race in S/stock race as well to make up for it , sorry again but it is not in our hands. Chris

Fair enough we know its not your fault and dont blame you guys at all

you do a good job and it is very very cheap racing considering what we get

thanks for all the good work

**all4A50s** · 6th November 2009, 04:29

Originally Posted by racer40

sorry AllA50s, we are not trying to get more money or anything like that, in fact we do all possible to make it as cheap as poss for the riders. It is a MNZ rule for a national race,we dont mind everyone in together but it is the MNZ stewerds decision. last year the stewerd "let us off" & let everyone race but not allowed to get a placing, which we thought was fair. new stewerd this year. If he upholds the rule, you can still go in other races, & we will let day licences race in S/stock race as well to make up for it , sorry again but it is not in our hands. Chris

I appreciate (along with many others I sure) the amount of hard work you and your co-horts put into staging this event.

Is it possible for you to ask the steward what prompted, why the rule exists. Or a way I can contact them?

**Buckets4Me** · 6th November 2009, 05:42

Originally Posted by all4A50s

I appreciate (along with many others I sure) the amount of hard work you and your co-horts put into staging this event.

Is it possible for you to ask the steward what prompted, why the rule exists. Or a way I can contact them?

saftey for the riders

some newby never raced before out on the track with a gsxr1000 + rossy and stoner there is going to be a death

think about it the rule wasnt made for buckets but much faster race bikes

you need to prove you can race before you go out with the big boys
in a big race

sorry thats life we all have to live with it
just look what hapend at puk on the 600 when someone crosed the back straight without looking
or ran into the back of a parked grid

**F5 Dave** · 6th November 2009, 08:54

What is all the whinging & moaning about?

FFS! just get a licence & stop your pussy bitch crying.

**TZ350** · 6th November 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by all4A50s

I appreciate (along with many others I sure) the amount of hard work you and your co-horts put into staging this event.

"you and your co-horts"

I along with many others have a great deal of respect and appreciation for Chris and his brother who are behind the TRRS and it would be a mistake to start disrespecting them, and I can assure you, you will lose a lot of friends and quickly if you do that.

The TRRS is not a Bucket event, its a Nationaly sanction road race meeting that happens to include F4 and F5 classes, because the organisers have a soft spot for them, lucky us.

To ride at a National event, you, your bike, your riding gear and paperwork all have to be up to national road race standards. If you think you can bring a bucket of shit and/or an argumentitive attatude to this event, you are wrong.

If you can get everything up to scratch I look forward to seeing you there.

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