ACC Levies. BRONZ meeting

**GOONR** · 28th October 2009, 08:07

Originally Posted by jeffs

Isn't the AA an insurance company. If I hit an other car, don't I loose my no claims, not the car I hit. When did an insurance company start lobbying to have the victim pay all the costs.

AA Insurance is totally separate from the AA. It's run by a different company, they just have rights to use the name.

**klingon** · 28th October 2009, 10:43

Originally Posted by Ixion

NO!

those who are AA members - DO NOT RESIGN

I just joined up. Why? Cos it's a hell of a lot easier to capture a foirtress from inside than by escalade.

AA have stabbed Kiwi motorcyclists in the back. We need to take them down.

But we can best do that from the inside. By being members. members get to vote! AA meetings are sparsely attended. A solid bloc of biker voters could do a great deal .

Don't get out! Get even!

OK now we need to decide on our response.
I would suggest we begin a new thread (ha ha ha that's always the first step!!

) about the AA's role in all this, and bring together all the posts on the subject.

Then we should assign people to keep an eye on the AA, read their website, find out when and where the meetings are, and rally the troops to act.

Attend all AA meetings and speak up
Write letters to the AA and to Directions Magazine
Think about getting bike-friendly people on the board of the AA (when is the next AGM?)
Prepare simple printed material laying out the role of the AA in the levy rises.
Whatever other stuff we can think of!

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 29th October 2009, 17:46

We need to get ASH behind us...

Since riding is probably healthier, too. Since it's almost impossible to smoke while riding, motorcyclists are less likely to suffer the ills of tobacco-related diseases while riding. And since smoking reduces the flow of oxygen to the brain, which makes smokers less alert, non-smoking motorcyclists are probably smarter than smoking drivers...

**MSTRS:Me** · 29th October 2009, 18:01

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 29th October 2009, 18:17

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Its ok I use to manage it when I use to smoke... but I didn't smoke any where near as much

**jeffs** · 29th October 2009, 18:49

Here are some photos from the visit to the Green Party HQ and Johns Keys constituency office 29/10/2009.

**raster** · 30th October 2009, 07:24

Sorry, the reveal I attempted on those photos didn't work, could you cast the spell of reveal on them for me!!!

**jeffs** · 30th October 2009, 08:10

Kiwibiker won't let me post the same picture twice so you can find them on "Who's up for a flash protest ride this week?" The thread for the ride. Sorry about that

**phred** · 30th October 2009, 09:44

Originally Posted by jeffs

But MY BIKE IS INSURED WITH THE AA, and that just totally pi..... me off.

I have paid AA levy and insurance for cars and house for years and they wouldn't insure my bike because I was on a learner license at the time. So I said what happens when the cage hits me? What happens when the nasty person steals it? They said tough shit go away. What a crap organisation. We should all visit their CEO and expose his agenda to the public scrutiny.

**idleidolidyll** · 1st November 2009, 10:51

I noted that the BRONZ Prez stepped up his public speaking yesterday. It was obvious that he'd seen some comments on his public speaking and to gove credit; he did a lot better this time.

I still reckon he's the wrong front man/woman though. He just doesn't project the passion required or grab the publics attention.

I'm not slamming him BTW: he probably does a fine job as el presidente. However, it has to be acknowledged that public speaking is so bloody important that only the best speakers should be given that job.
Mr Pres, do the right thing; find a speaker with the skills to grab attention. Your job is to give them the facts and to guide them on what your members demand. Their job is to grab the attention of the media and the public.

There were a couple of reasonably good speakers in Manukau yesterday but they still didn't manage to get the crowd behind them (beside the fact that they were there to protest).

Phil Goff showed how it is done; he spoke clearly and grabbed
attention, but in Auckland we still don't have a passionate person able to project that passion and get crowds behind them.

**Big Dave** · 1st November 2009, 16:26

Les is in the job now because nobody else stepped forward at the time.

He/We would welcome a suitable champion should one step forward.

**idleidolidyll** · 3rd November 2009, 18:36

Originally Posted by Ixion

NO!

those who are AA members - DO NOT RESIGN

I just joined up. Why? Cos it's a hell of a lot easier to capture a foirtress from inside than by escalade.

AA have stabbed Kiwi motorcyclists in the back. We need to take them down.

But we can best do that from the inside. By being members. members get to vote! AA meetings are sparsely attended. A solid bloc of biker voters could do a great deal .

Don't get out! Get even!

EXACTLY! Direct action.

Many moons ago I was at the helm of BEARs in Chch. The Canterbury Car Club had adbised us that they were gonna hike up track hire substantially. The track is owned by the Chch CC but leased to the Car Club who let it out to others.

We planned to do just as you have suggested and had over $30k in the bank to spend. In the end, just the threat of us taking over the car club did the job.

Don't piss around with silent protests; people like this only pay attention to action

**idleidolidyll** · 3rd November 2009, 18:44

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Les is in the job now because nobody else stepped forward at the time.

He/We would welcome a suitable champion should one step forward.

That's often the case.
My comments stand though.

I'd offer my services but I dunno that I'm any better. It's an observation not a personal attack.

Didn't realise you were BRONZ Dave. I've always seen them but never counted them as very effective.

Road standards have deteriorated over the last 15 years to the point where riders fall off on unswept roads and WE get ACC price rises because of it yet can't sue the bastards who don't clean up after themselves.

Trucks are limited to 90kph to seperate them from other vehicles in a bid to make roads safer: motorcycles however, even though much safer if they keep passing cars and riding the gaps, get busted for staying alive.

How has BRONZ lessened these abuses of our lives and rights as taxpayers?

Les has my email address, I work in Onehunga, just 5 mins from that hall they held the mtg at. If anyone there is interested in a sit down and thinks I have anything to offer, I'm happy to talk.

**DVS 69** · 5th November 2009, 10:10

I heard that theres a protect ride going to beehive on the 17th of this month .......... Is this true ?? Im keen as to get the day off and head down etc.