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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblyas View Post
    My suggestion for ACC's next 1/4 page add in the Herald and Dominion.

    I'd like to present an alternative view. Lets not refute their accident statistic figures and their points lets just present the correct ones. (OK let's just refute the $77 dollar one becasue that personal to every motorist). The key issue here for every voting New Zealander is the move from a no fault compensation model to an insurance business model for ACC. Most NZ'ers are not concerned about motorbike community specific grievances. Although I will grant that we all believe in fair play


    ACC explains the scrapping of their traditional 'no fault' insurance model

    Why are motorcyclists being singled out first?
    We needed to start by targeting a smaller high risk group that we felt best demonstrated the need to scrap our no fault insurance model. This allows us establish two important precedents. First that ACC is moving away from a no fault claims model and secondly that groups that present greater risks should pay more in ACC 'insurance'

    Why are motorcyclists being asked to pay more?
    National wants to align our policies with established insurance company practices. The ACC's current funding models are not attractive to private insurance companies. The Australian insurance companies will pay more to acquire the business of ACC if they can maximise the profits.

    Will every other motorists really have to pay an extra $77 even with the proposed levy hike as claimed by ACC ?

    You do the math. Total ACC claims for motorcylists were 63 million last year. There were just over 3,308,930 cars, trucks, vans and utes registered in 2008. $77 x 3,308,930 = $254,78,7610. So after paying the 63 million dollars cost for motorcyclists ACC will have made a profit of over 191 million dollars from motorcyclists! That should be very attractive to all of the Australian insurance companies that we are courting.

    Who's next?
    You don't need us to tell you. Next up it's the cyclists. It's been estimated that in excess of $100 million dollars can be charged in ACC levies to cyclists. There are very conservatively about 200,000 cyclists in New Zealand. Using the same calculations for motorcyclists the levy cost per cycle should be in excess of $500.00. A Report just released by the Wellington regional council show that they are 30 times more likely to be injured in accidents than car drivers (compared to ACC statistics which show motorcyclists are 4 x more likely to be injured). From cyclists it's a logical step to rugby and rugby league players who account for $50,000,000 in ACC payouts. Due to soraing medical costs accident and loss of income insurance is one of the largest growth businesses on the planet.

    But motorcyclists say that in more than 50% of accidents aren't their fault. What happens if National privaties ACC?
    ACC has traditionally been a no fault insurer. Insurance companies can't support this business model. When a car driver injures a motorcyclist their insurance coverage will need to cover them for the cost of injuries to the motorcyclist. If ACC is privatised car drivers levies will need to increase many fold to cover the cost of injury to pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists.

    How to make a submission?
    For information on making a submission, visit www.acc.co.nz/consultation. Consultation closes on 5pm Tuesday 10th of November. Now because you probably don't expect ACC to respond by calling you up for a chin wag consultation.....

    ...Better still
    Write to your local National MP and let them know how the the scrapping of the 'no fault' ACC insurance model will affect how you vote in the future.


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    Well Done!! - I like it
    I will get it up and read by as many people at work as I can

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblyas View Post
    My suggestion for ACC's next 1/4 page add in the Herald and Dominion.

    Well Done!! - I like it
    I will get it up and read by as many people at work as I can

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    Quote Originally Posted by I GS 1 View Post
    Well Done!! - I like it
    I will get it up and read by as many people at work as I can
    Thansk mate their are some other excellent rebuttals in this thread. but I just wanted an option of something very simple. It's hard to hold peoples attention with more complex responses to issues that don't directly affect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobblyas View Post
    My suggestion for ACC's next 1/4 page add in the Herald and Dominion.

    I'd like to present an alternative view. Lets not refute their accident statistic figures and their points lets just present the correct ones. (OK let's just refute the $77 dollar one becasue that personal to every motorist). The key issue here for every voting New Zealander is the move from a no fault compensation model to an insurance business model for ACC. Most NZ'ers are not concerned about motorbike community specific grievances. Although I will grant that we all believe in fair play


    ACC explains the scrapping of their traditional 'no fault' insurance model

    Why are motorcyclists being singled out first?
    We needed to start by targeting a smaller high risk group that we felt best demonstrated the need to scrap our no fault insurance model. This allows us establish two important precedents. First that ACC is moving away from a no fault claims model and secondly that groups that present greater risks should pay more in ACC 'insurance'

    Why are motorcyclists being asked to pay more?
    National wants to align our policies with established insurance company practices. The ACC's current funding models are not attractive to private insurance companies. The Australian insurance companies will pay more to acquire the business of ACC if they can maximise the profits.

    Will every other motorists really have to pay an extra $77 even with the proposed levy hike as claimed by ACC ?

    You do the math. Total ACC claims for motorcylists were 63 million last year. There were just over 3,308,930 cars, trucks, vans and utes registered in 2008. $77 x 3,308,930 = $254,78,7610. So after paying the 63 million dollars cost for motorcyclists ACC will have made a profit of over 191 million dollars from motorcyclists! That should be very attractive to all of the Australian insurance companies that we are courting.

    Who's next?
    You don't need us to tell you. Next up it's the cyclists. It's been estimated that in excess of $100 million dollars can be charged in ACC levies to cyclists. There are very conservatively about 200,000 cyclists in New Zealand. Using the same calculations for motorcyclists the levy cost per cycle should be in excess of $500.00. A Report just released by the Wellington regional council show that they are 30 times more likely to be injured in accidents than car drivers (compared to ACC statistics which show motorcyclists are 4 x more likely to be injured). From cyclists it's a logical step to rugby and rugby league players who account for $50,000,000 in ACC payouts. Due to soraing medical costs accident and loss of income insurance is one of the largest growth businesses on the planet.

    But motorcyclists say that in more than 50% of accidents aren't their fault. What happens if National privaties ACC?
    ACC has traditionally been a no fault insurer. Insurance companies can't support this business model. When a car driver injures a motorcyclist their insurance coverage will need to cover them for the cost of injuries to the motorcyclist. If ACC is privatised car drivers levies will need to increase many fold to cover the cost of injury to pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists.

    How to make a submission?
    For information on making a submission, visit www.acc.co.nz/consultation. Consultation closes on 5pm Tuesday 10th of November. Now because you probably don't expect ACC to respond by calling you up for a chin wag consultation.....

    ...Better still
    Write to your local National MP and let them know how the the scrapping of the 'no fault' ACC insurance model will affect how you vote in the future.


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    On a previous post I suggested not to engage in a rebuttal add. I don't usually change my mind but after reading the above from Wobblyas I do now.

    If there is a serious rebuttal to ACC's add I suggest that the powers that be take a good hard look at this post. It's PERFECT.


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    Okay, I've come up with something.

    Here's a rebuttal ad. How about we pass this around?
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails ITS NO ACCIDENT ad.pdf  
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riffer View Post
    Okay, I've come up with something.

    Here's a rebuttal ad. How about we pass this around?

    So have I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c63yzgu6D9k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzie View Post
    Brilliant sir very skilfully worded and crafted.

    I applaud the way you don't get sucked into the argument of trying to justify how extra it would be fair for bikers to pay.

    You have got it 100% right - it is supposed to be a no fault system. In all our messages we need to consistently state this.

    The key issue is that it is a no fault compensation scheme where we shoudl all be contributing the same regardless of our risk. Accepting anything else is to accept the thin edge of the wedge.

    P.S. Also love your call for other groups to join us. Hell yes lets show National that it's a lot more than bikers that are pissed off.

    Ixion what about it?

    Why not invite the cyclists, etc to join us at Parliament on the 17th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzie View Post

    i like it!!!!!
    And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.

    - James Dickey, Cherrylog Road.

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    Love it! Link sent to nonbikers in my address book
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Incidentally , the ACC Act , S262 says

    So, here , where they claim to be providing insurance

    They openly admit to breaking the law, and acting ultra vires.
    I've just noticed the automated reply from ACC for my submission is signed "Keith McLea, General Manager, ACC Insurance"

    Perhaps others have made note, and I missed it, but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    And nobody has even mentioned convertibles. Yet.
    Keep a lid on it you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by taff1954 View Post
    I've just noticed the automated reply from ACC for my submission is signed "Keith McLea, General Manager, ACC Insurance"

    Perhaps others have made note, and I missed it, but still...
    To me it is still an "Insurance"...you pay a sum of money based on statistics ie payments worked out my acturaries...you have an event which is covered and you claim.

    ACC was founded when I suspect Insurance was not on people's lips..still is not to an extent now...so it was bound to end up being a monopoly..even now insurance is a pretty much closed shop with few real players with 2 insurer's being the biggest.

    Is there much difference?

    When workplace ACC was handled by Insurer's a few years ago, it ran better and in some case it was more competitive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    To me it is still an "Insurance"...you pay a sum of money based on statistics ie payments worked out my acturaries...you have an event which is covered and you claim.

    ----------------

    Is there much difference?
    Semantics, maybe. But insurance is different, in that any policy is tailored by an individual's age, history, experience, even where they live - within the subset of the risk group.
    ACC does NOT work like that. Therefore it is not true insurance.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Semantics, maybe. But insurance is different, in that any policy is tailored by an individual's age, history, experience, even where they live - within the subset of the risk group.
    ACC does NOT work like that. Therefore it is not true insurance.
    Insurance was started as early as 2AD by the Chinese and Babylonian Traders with cargo....didn't have cars etc then...they didn't have statistics then...so I guess what is true Insurance....I reckon ACC can come under this guise too...car insurance etc is relatiively new and insurance as WE know it now only became important after the Great Fire of London in 1666

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    So? Over-weight, aging Poms used to be welcome here, too. Once.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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