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  • Robert "The Weasel" Muldoon

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  • Rodney "The Jeykel" Hyde

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  • Hone "The White M***** F******" Harawira

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Thread: Is Rodney Hide really Rob Muldoon re-incarnated?

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    muldoon was a mistake for this country. Thank fuck the prick is dead, just a shame it didn't happen when he was in office as it would have helped the country.

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    i profited from them along with many others, Clyde Dam in particular
    Were you pouring the concrete or erecting the boxing for the pour?
    TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    muldoon was a mistake for this country. Thank fuck the prick is dead, just a shame it didn't happen when he was in office as it would have helped the country.


    Were you pouring the concrete or erecting the boxing for the pour?
    Nope, I was selling them rollers, excavators, loaders and dozers.

    Those tunnels up into the slips were bloody scary and so was sitting 30' below the level of the river with just a few steel walls between life and death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Maggie was never compassionate and Pinochet employed murder squads to eliminate his opposition. Your support of both is a very clear indication of your lack of genuine compassion.
    Ah yes, back to the categorisation of acceptable and unacceptable mass-murderers...

    Che Guevara? Hero of the left
    Mao? Ditto
    Lenin? Ditto
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    Ah yes, back to the categorisation of acceptable and unacceptable mass-murderers...

    Che Guevara? Hero of the left
    Mao? Ditto
    Lenin? Ditto
    don't forget all those right wing african murderers or the puppet murderers in S E Asia .

    I don't categorise any mass murderer as acceptable, not Hitler, not Mugabe, not Pol Pot, not Stalin, not Pinochet and not George Bush Jr

    It does seem however, that Bob Taylor finds some of them quite acceptable

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    Quote Originally Posted by H00dz View Post
    Who cares that muldoon lived next door to your neighbours
    I didn't think anybody would - it was just summat that popped into my head.

    I still don't think that (apart from being follicly challenged) they look that much alike.
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Bob, it wasn't merely a comeback; it was utter destruction of your disjointed argument. Non sequiter indicates an argument in which the conclusion cannot be logically drawn from the premis proposed.

    Your comment was a throw away and pretty much symptomatic of a lack of rational argument.

    I'm still waiting for your rational explanation of exactly how I am a hypocrite based on these posts; or do you now retract that accusation?

    As for "compassionate conservative": we can only judge externally based on your posts online. Given that you support both Maggie and Pinochet, it is clear that the conservatism you espouse contains bugger all compassion and as with most using the phrase; it is merely a label you assign yourself because you don't like the explicit labels your viewpoints actually deserve.

    Maggie was never compassionate and Pinochet employed murder squads to eliminate his opposition. Your support of both is a very clear indication of your lack of genuine compassion.
    No, just dont need to waste time arguing with an unreformable socialist as frankly I have bigger fish to fry. Where did I say I supported Pinochet other than the one act of history where he helped out Maggie during the successful Falklands war? Anyone reading this thread will realise that you have deliberately tried to twist what I have said into something more.
    And I just bet Ive got just as much compassion for the avearge man in the steet than you, if not more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    No, just dont need to waste time arguing with an unreformable socialist as frankly I have bigger fish to fry. Where did I say I supported Pinochet other than the one act of history where he helped out Maggie during the successful Falklands war? Anyone reading this thread will realise that you have deliberately tried to twist what I have said into something more.
    And I just bet Ive got just as much compassion for the avearge man in the steet than you, if not more so.
    actually you're just a lightweight and don't have the skills to argue with me.

    BTW: there is no need to 'reform' a socialist as it isn't a disease like fascism

    I don't ever expect you to offer a sane rational argument or to explain clearly why you call me a hypocrite because you are self deluded and merely regurgitate propaganda.

    However, any time you decide to attack me with your nonsense you'll get the very same grilling you've just received so all can see how shallow your 'arguments' are

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    actually you're just a lightweight and don't have the skills to argue with me.

    BTW: there is no need to 'reform' a socialist as it isn't a disease like fascism

    I don't ever expect you to offer a sane rational argument or to explain clearly why you call me a hypocrite because you are self deluded and merely regurgitate propaganda.

    However, any time you decide to attack me with your nonsense you'll get the very same grilling you've just received so all can see how shallow your 'arguments' are
    Well theres one thing that consistently shines through with hardened socialists, you are so totally convinced that your way is the only way. Gets even worse when mixed with arrogance, as you have just very capably demonstrated. You leave me for dead in respect of that.

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    hilarious ad vomitum!

    fascists don't give a shit about the human consequences as long as your cosy little group profits. that's compassionate conservatism: a lie easily exposed merely by listening to the rants of the indoctrinated.

    unlike conservatives, us liberals actually DO welcome change and accept other cultures; that's actually the definition of the term

    conservatives on the other hand resist change and resist acceptance of differences. They are inward focused and intolerant.

    as is often the case; conservatives often like to spout nonsense like this "you are so totally convinced that your way is the only way" when actually that's their very definition

    One thing is true though: conservatives are a diverse group. They are that way because each group believes that their way is the only correct way and all others are wrong......including other conservative groups. All religious fundamentalists are conservative for instance and they refuse to accept other belief systems

    con⋅serv⋅a⋅tive

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    –adjective
    1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
    2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
    3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
    4. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
    5. (initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
    6. having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative.
    7. Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar.

    –noun
    8. a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc.
    9. a supporter of conservative political policies.
    10. (initial capital letter) a member of a conservative political party, esp. the Conservative party in Great Britain.
    11. a preservative.

    Origin:
    1350–1400; < LL conservātīvus, equiv. to L conservāt(us) (see conservation ) + -īvus -ive; r. ME conservatif < MF < L, as above

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    and the opposite.............

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    –adjective
    1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
    4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
    5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
    6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
    7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
    8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
    9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
    10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
    11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
    12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
    13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.

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    14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
    15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.



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    yep, i'm a modern liberal socialist; as left liberal as people like Gandi and jeebus, ralph nader, the greens etc

    on the opposite side we see hitler, bush, thatcher, pinochet, National etc

    NZ took a huge step toward fascism in 2008:
    http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2008

    (fascism is extreme conservatism BTW)

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    Liberal...there's a stolen label if ever there was one.

    True, Classical, Liberals believe in little state intervention, self reliance and "if it doesn't hurt anyone else who cares"...and a lot of us get tarred as "far right fascists" by people like...you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    (fascism is extreme conservatism BTW)
    Fascism is extreme authoritarianism...and is as equally found on the far left as right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    Fascism is extreme authoritarianism...and is as equally found on the far left as right.
    that's a modern manipulation of the meaning: it is traditionally extreme right wing authoritarianism and generally it is capitalists who try to change the meaning: by definition extreme capitalism is authoritarian

    a capitalist is someone who controls capital
    capitalism is a system in which the control of capital is in the hands of the capitalists

    to do that, the capitalist minority have to use extreme authoritarianism to keep the capital in their control and not let the masses get more than crumbs

    Oxford dictionary:
    capitalism


    noun an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.



    socialism

    noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


    fascism

    /fashiz’m/
    noun 1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. 2 extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    Liberal...there's a stolen label if ever there was one.

    True, Classical, Liberals believe in little state intervention, self reliance and "if it doesn't hurt anyone else who cares"...and a lot of us get tarred as "far right fascists" by people like...you.
    oh dear; i prefer the actual meanings of words rather than the propagandist versions

    see above

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