Do pedestrians give way to vehicles at supermarkets?

[vifferman]

The Road Code book (which is not law) does make a special point out of supermarket entrances being an intersection as opposed to home driveways (I think).

Correct - and during a driving test, the examiners will give you fail marks if you don't treat carparks (and not just supermarket ones) the same as a roadway, despite what Joe Public seems to think.
However (but!) the bit about "A driver entering or exiting a driveway must give way to a road user on a footpath" is referring to a driveway with a footpath crossing (like a residential driveway). Our local supermarket's entrances/exits are not crossings but formed more like roads. If these kind do not have pedestrian crossings marked on them, then cars have right of way, except where the pedstrians are already on the road when the car comes along.

Talking about this - in the 10 years of living in D'Auckland, I have had one (1!!) occasion (last week) where I have been turning right out of the supermarket and someone turning right into it (from my left) has given way. There seems to be an unofficial but widespread rule amongst Kiwis that "the smaller road gives way to the bigger road" (i.e., "might is right").
Only one! Out of maybe 20 or more occasions.
I've also had several instances when turning right out of the unmarked (no Give Way or Stop) T-intersection at the end of our street (same circumstances as for the supermarket) where dumbarses have refused to give way to their right. A tootling helps, but I suspect just bewilders these ignoramuses. Makes me feel better though...

[Ender EnZed]

I've also had several instances when turning right out of the unmarked (no Give Way or Stop) T-intersection at the end of our street (same circumstances as for the supermarket) where dumbarses have refused to give way to their right.

Many of these (like carparks) are treated as if there is/should be a Give Way sign there but its just invisible. Try giving way when you're turning into it and most people will just sit there confused in exactly the same they would if there was a sign.

[oldrider]

car V pedestrian car always in wrong

Pedestrian not watch out for car = stupid pedestrian!

[EJK]

Just watch out and don't hit anyone.

Simple.

[huff3r]

Pedestrian not watch out for car = stupid pedestrian!

Either way tho, if the ped dies you get done for manslaughter

[slofox]

As a pedestrian, I always give way to everything. I figure I'll break more easily than they will...

[oldrider]

Pedestrian not watch out for car = stupid pedestrian!

Either way tho, if the ped dies you get done for manslaughter

I was thinking from the position of the pedestrian, from a drivers point of view, I give way to all of them!

Pedestrian hit by car gets badly injured, who gives a fuck who is in the right, it still hurts the pedestrian, that was my point!

[peasea]

Simple courtesy goes a long way, legal or not, and that goes for drivers/riders and ped's.

If I'm on foot I am extremely wary of driveways, supermarket entrances and alleys. Better than ending up in hospital or worse.

If I'm in a car and exiting same, the same theory applies. I'd much rather err on the side of caution than end up in a courtroom.

[BM-GS]

Have heard a footpath described as the pedestrian's lane of the road. If they're going straight on and you're turning, you should give way.

Of course, they should look and try not to walk in front of anything liable to kill them. They should obey the little red flashing man on the light-controlled crossings, too.

Usually it depends on what kind of mood I'm in how close I get to them before stopping. The jct of Shortland St & Queen St in Aucks CBD has real short lights (3 cars max) and when those dozey sods kept walking out, even on my green, I used to get upset. I used to do this turn a dozen times a day sometimes, driving for work. I even put in a purchase req. for one of those WW2 mine-clearance tanks with the big chain flail on the front, but it got rejected every time...

Never hit a ped yet, tho. Not worth it from anyone's POV.

[JimO]

Usually it depends on what kind of mood I'm in how close I get to them before stopping. The jct of Shortland St & Queen St in Aucks CBD has real .

i know someone who lost their licence for careless driving for 6 months for exactly that except they actually nuged the pedestrian

[cheshirecat]

So what we have so far is that a supermarket entrance is an intersection, like a service station so pedestrians need to give way to cars. If you hit a ped however, even if its the peds fault, you get done - but not the ped who can get all rightious, indignant and write letters to the ed etc.

In the form of the rest of the road code so seems about right.

Oh I brought this up because a women eyeballed me and tried to walk right across my path on purpose when I was turning in to a supermarket entrance. My point to her was I had to stop right in the middle of the road - on the wrong side of it with all the other cars trying to get in and out, so although she may have had rights it was dangerous and arrogant - or words to that effect

[GOONR]

i know someone who lost their licence for careless driving for 6 months for exactly that except they actually nuged the pedestrian

My mate back in the Uk was a right bastard, he would stand and wait at the lights, if a car got too close he would suddenly dive on the bonnet and roll off then.. Nothing, totally motionless on the floor, wait for the big crowd to gather and then just get up and walk away as if nothing had happened.

Priceless to watch but it must have given the driver the right shit's. That's not the only stunt he used to pull either, I don't think he was quite all there really.

[BMWST?]

So what we have so far is that a supermarket entrance is an intersection, like a service station so pedestrians need to give way to cars. If you hit a ped however, even if its the peds fault, you get done - but not the ped who can get all rightious, indignant and write letters to the ed etc.

In the form of the rest of the road code so seems about right.

Oh I brought this up because a women eyeballed me and tried to walk right across my path on purpose when I was turning in to a supermarket entrance. My point to her was I had to stop right in the middle of the road - on the wrong side of it with all the other cars trying to get in and out, so although she may have had rights it was dangerous and arrogant - or words to that effect

a supoermarket IS to be treated like an intersection....If the entrance is formed like a proper road way then i think most pedestrians will treat it as a road way.If the entrance crosses the footpath like normal residential driveway then i consider the pedestrian HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY

[GOONR]

a supoermarket IS to be treated like an intersection....If the entrance is formed like a proper road way then i think most pedestrians will treat it as a road way.If the entrance crosses the footpath like normal residential driveway then i consider the pedestrian HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY

That's really the way I see it too. Common sense really.

[kwaka_crasher]

i know someone who lost their licence for careless driving for 6 months for exactly that except they actually nuged the pedestrian

He should have fought it rather than just rolling over. Pedestrians aren't allowed to cross against a signal any more than vehicles are allowed to ignore red lights. And if there's a crossing within 20m they have to use it.