Data from ACC

[Ixion]

Yes. that's their explanation. it does make calculations much easier

[Reckless]

Hey Ixion just a thought that I had concerning the integrity of their data.

Here's another angle mate!

I read in the cyclist proposed levy thread ACC are maintaining cars are contributing to Cyclists by $78-00 per car rego. Well they say its $77-00 for us as well. To my way of thinking if you had the $78+$77= $155-00 plus the post office and actual licensing fees say $100ish that's $255-00ish dollars. That leaves $0 out of an average $247.86 per year per car to cover their ACC costs (if my guestimates are close).

I smell a rat here that can't be right cars cost no money what so ever in ACC when they say ours are costing $800+ per year!

So cars are susidising Cyclisits and bikes and paying no ACC what so ever! Yeh right the figures are bullshit.

Anyone got any other groups figures they have put forward that we can add the the above!

Lets let Ixion make Nick Smith and national look like real dorks!

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I smell a rat here that can't be right cars only cost $145 in ACC when they say ours are costing $800+ per year!

I thought cars were $168.46

[Reckless]

I thought cars were $168.46

Aww shit went to the wrong page here should have gone to here Its $247.86. Bugger I couldn't remember and it was too late to ring the post office! Give me a minute that changes things greatly I'll edit my post!!

Done re read the above! Now where is the document with the accused $78-00 on it ACC assert the cyclists are subsidized by cars.

[Ixion]

No, that's still wrong. That's the TOTAL licensing fee (including the government fee and GST). You want just the ACC levy. From memory, the raptorial gentleman is correct $168

[ZephyrMark2]

No, that's still wrong. That's the TOTAL licensing fee (including the government fee and GST). You want just the ACC levy. From memory, the raptorial gentleman is correct $168

Hey Ixion,

Just another place to look at would be the costs that ACC is claiming to have contributed to their overall requirement for more money.

In particular the new accounting standards (IFRS) were introduced to all govt depts in 2007. According to ACC this contributed a cost of $2.6b. Now I know the response will be in regards to how reporting has wiped off certain assets, but the fact remains, $2.6b is a huge contributing factor to ACC spiraling out of control....

I've attached a screenshot.

Mark

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

ACC Levies only for 2008

• Motorcyle: $252.69
• Moped: $58.97
• Car: $168.46

[Reckless]

ok I get it now?? DUH moment there!
But you get my drift. According to your input at $168.42. ACC are claiming that cars are subsidizing Bikers and cycilists nearly as much as ACC are claiming Cars are paying in total. $78( cyclists) + $77 (bikers)= $155-00 out of their $168.46. So who is paying Cars ACC if they aren't?? Simply doesn't make sense and puts a very bad light on all their other claims and assessments!

[MSTRS:Me]

Am I behind the 8 ball? Isn't the 'cyclist levy thread' a pisstake?

[GOONR]

Am I behind the 8 ball? Isn't the 'cyclist levy thread' a pisstake?

Yup.

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[MSTRS:Me]

But Reckless is happily tapping on his calculator, using figures from that thread...
Whilst I agree it was a great way to whip up sentiment and righteous indignation, it is dangerous to let anyone (at least, us) use figures from it as though it were real.

[Grahameeboy]

But Reckless is happily tapping on his calculator, using figures from that thread...
Whilst I agree it was a great way to whip up sentiment and righteous indignation, it is dangerous to let anyone (at least, us) use figures from it as though it were real.

...and there I was think he was using an abacus.....

[Reckless]

Am I behind the 8 ball? Isn't the 'cyclist levy thread' a pisstake?

Oh Fuck!! Really! I only read the first post! Well CHUMP of the week to me LOL!! Now you guys have quoted me I can't even erase my error. That'll teach me for posting after 11pm after a bloody 14 hour day drawing plans. So knackered I couldn't even get the wrong figures added up correctly for 3 posts! LOL!!!

Ixion and Nighthawk both lead me on as well! Buggers LOL!!!

Damn I thought I was doin my bit for the cause! LOL!! Now I dunno who to bloody well believe! LOL!!!
Bloody Kiwi biker damn time waster of an addiction I have LOL!!

oh well slink away to like my wounds CYA

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh Fuck!!

The other posters should have alerted you to that, before you got all excited.

[sleemanj]

So Ixion, now that the BIKOI is done, where are you at with attacking the data?

Specifically, I'm still hearing the $77 bandied about, has there been any explanation in the obvious problem with that number which you first pointed out on CloseUp?

Every time I hear somebody say "but $77" I want to go ahead and point out the obvious flaw, but worried that there has been some miraculous revelation from ACC as to how the number works...