Danger time

**FROSTY:Me** · 18th November 2009, 15:49

Im sure the deep thinkers amoungst you have already thought this through.
Now is quite a danger tiime from the point of view of public sympathy.
If ACC or the gubbinment comes back with an offer of say $400 for 12 months rego on a bike then BIKERS can be made to look like the bad guys by not accepting.
I know it aint right but ya see what i mean

**twotyred** · 18th November 2009, 15:54

that's the plan,always has been...

**YellowDog** · 18th November 2009, 15:59

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Im sure the deep thinkers amoungst you have already thought this through.
Now is quite a danger tiime from the point of view of public sympathy.
If ACC or the gubbinment comes back with an offer of say $400 for 12 months rego on a bike then BIKERS can be made to look like the bad guys by not accepting.
I know it aint right but ya see what i mean

This is my understanding:

If you own 3 1000cc bikes, then $400 is still totally unreasonable. The point of the increase is that is was designed to cover increased ACC liabilities.

You can only ride one bike at a time and hence the method of raising the extra cash is flawed and unfair on individuals.

We also argue that the amount of ACC claims that have been apportioned to motorcyclists is not accurate.

Hence even at the present level, the charging system is unfair and we are therefore asking for a review with the actual facts.

To maintain public sympathy, we need to get our arguament right and then stick to it.

**Jizah** · 18th November 2009, 16:03

Originally Posted by twotyred

that's the plan,always has been...

I agree with this.

**Big Dave** · 18th November 2009, 16:08

**Corse1** · 18th November 2009, 16:11

Originally Posted by YellowDog

This is my understanding:

To maintain public sympathy, we need to get our arguament right and then
stick to it.

Totally agree

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 18th November 2009, 16:18

Its important that any future action is accompanied by flyers giving reasons for it. Otherwise we are just a load of trouble makers hindering innocent citizens with unreasonable actions.

**Trudes** · 18th November 2009, 16:22

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Im sure the deep thinkers amoungst you have already thought this through.
Now is quite a danger tiime from the point of view of public sympathy.
If ACC or the gubbinment comes back with an offer of say $400 for 12 months rego on a bike then BIKERS can be made to look like the bad guys by not accepting.
I know it aint right but ya see what i mean

That's kinda what I was getting at yesterday before I got told to shhhhhh.
I think of other things I spend $400 a year on and they mean a shit load less to me than keeping my bike legal with a rego on it.
I get that it's not right, fair or parity, but at the end of the day, it's not totally unreasonable.

**FROSTY:Me** · 18th November 2009, 16:45

Originally Posted by YellowDog

If you own 3 1000cc bikes, then $400 is still totally unreasonable. The point of the increase is that is was designed to cover increased ACC liabilities.

Public prospective here. "he can afford 3 bikes then he can afford 3 registrations"

Keep in mind it aint my mindset its the public mindset.

**Maha** · 18th November 2009, 16:51

I'd be happy with a $30 increase, just like the car rego.
So one car/one van and two bikes = $120 extra per year....yeah thats cool.

**Oakie** · 18th November 2009, 16:56

Should we perhaps gets one of our mathematical wizz-kids to take apart the info that is available from ACC and try to come up with a figure that we think is appropriate. That could then be our goal and one we could publicise. (It may even be that the figure arrived at could be less than we presently pay.) Lets not just be reactive to them ... lets get on the front foot and make them react to us. Any economists here?.

**YellowDog** · 18th November 2009, 17:05

Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham

Its important that any future action is accompanied by flyers giving reasons for it. Otherwise we are just a load of trouble makers hindering innocent citizens with unreasonable actions.

This has to be pretty key to the campaign.

A simple flyer with 5 key bullet points that are easily understandable to Joe Public.

**Pedrostt500** · 18th November 2009, 17:06

I,ve posted this else where on here,

If we were to contact every affected group, that the Government and ACC have decided to step on, and with each of these groups we hold a Nation Wide protest all timed for a set date and time in every major centre in New Zealand.
Because like Motorcyclists each of these groups a small in there own right, but combined are a Major Chunk of the New Zealand public.
So for Wellington we would March down Lampton Quay to Parliment from Civic Square.
The timing would be in the first week that Parliament reconvens for the New Year.

**NONONO** · 18th November 2009, 17:19

Originally Posted by Trudes

That's kinda what I was getting at yesterday before I got told to shhhhhh.
I think of other things I spend $400 a year on and they mean a shit load less to me than keeping my bike legal with a rego on it.
I get that it's not right, fair or parity, but at the end of the day, it's not totally unreasonable.

Re look at the Ixion's first post in the Manifesto thread.
I do not believe it would be unreasonable for Snow Planet to expect a $250 indemnity from every customer, but they don't.
I don't think it would be unreasonable for Bungee jumps to have an extra $250 extra charge, just in case.
Is it unreasonable to ask women wearing high heels to fork out an extra few dollars to ACC for the possible treatment of ankle injuries?
I suppose the above would not be fair, or parity, but not totally unreasonable.
We should not pay one cent more than any other road users.
In fact ACC owe us a refund.