Come election time...

[StoneY]

The Greens will vote with the Nats as their policy is to raise the ACC levies.


Skyryder

Mate where ya get that from?
Greens been onside, was even before Labour!
Is you trolling me or what?

I think u mean Act? And the Maori Party (supply partner!)

[Flip]

So you don't agree that paying for your future care is a good thing then...

So do you think that ACC being sold off is a bad thing then..what will change...it will still be regulated by the Govt as are all Insurance Companies...I have heard how ineffecient and costly ACC is to administer and maybe privatisation will be better...Workplace when it was in place for a year worked better...

John Key...he is already a self made millionaire.....

I thing that the people of NZ self inflict buggery sometimes

In this case no, because I believe 'our' funds are to be used to under write the business liability associated with the relationship between private business and the NZ two party political system. If I actually thought the funds were going to be used to provide us "the great unwashed" with accident compensation my reply would be different. In this case I do not.

No I do not believe that the private insurance ACC workplace account provided any signifigant benefit to the people of NZ. One year was not enough time for any number of reasons. It did allow a few larger companies to negotiate a lower ACC rate, but most NZ companies have less than 20 people and don't have the resources to this easily. It probably helped a few big companies minimise their insutance liabilities, but with only one year did the insurers understand the liabilities they were getting into.

The post 911 insurance risk model is a completely diferent beast than it was a decade ago. The insurance companies have to show a profit. I can not comment on ACCs ineffecientcies, its all hear say, smoke and mirrors. I do however know that ACC only works for us we are the shareholders. I am a lot more happy with this situation than the other.

All I see here is what happened with NZ Rail all over again. Sell a business cheap, strip the assets, wait and sell it back to the goverment at a major profit. Its business, its what business does, it makes profit. I like the ACC system the way it is. I do not believe it needs fixing. Anyway ask your parents what happened to the original super money the national goverment had in 'safe' keeping.

If we allow the govt will sell the ACC system, business will strip the guts from it and the goverment will have to buy it back.

[short-circuit]

Mate where ya get that from?

Out his arse. The Greens have been unreservedly supportive from the start - in fact suggesting that we bikers should be getting a better deal than we currently are

[Flip]

Out his arse. The Greens have been unreservedly supportive from the start - in fact suggesting that we bikers should be getting a better deal than we currently are

I actually voted green a couple of times, call me a hippy. I liked what the local green candatate said and the way he went about his business. Its a pitty he died.

[98tls]

I actually voted green a couple of times, call me a hippy. I liked what the local green candatate said and the way he went about his business. Its a pitty he died.

Tree fall over?

[Flip]

Tree fall over?

Ok so I don't agree with many of their policies. But I did like Rod Donald. It was a vote for the man not the party.

I can work with MMP.

[98tls]

Ok so I don't agree with many of their policies. But I did like Rod Donald. It was a vote for the man not the party.

Fair call mate indeed.Had him confused with someone else and was going to add his legacy lives on.

[Flip]

Suckling the fat cow?

[FastBikeGear]

I hope labour come out with somthing that says some thing like..... As soon as we are the goverment we will change back the new ACC law. Then none of Mr Keys mates will want to touch the ACC account with a 12' pole.

I asked Phil Goff on the steps of the Auckland Museum if Labour would roll back the increased ACC levies on motorcylists if they get back in.

He said yes in front of the cameras.

So now it is on record.

[gammaguy]

...we'll need a handy dandy reference as to which Party's understand the issue and are on our side.

Let's accumulate links to statements by the various parties that get it right vs get it wrong.

Here are some Good Sense from the Green's...

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/17...privatisation/

No need to debate it... just link and remember when it comes to the vote.

and now maybe-just maybe-those who voted in national because they were bored or Helen wasnt as hot as she should have been or simply because Mr Key was a nice guy are all feeling a bit stupid.......LEOPARDS DONT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS NO MATTER WHAT SUITS THEY ARE WEARING

[MacD]

Do people really base their election choice on an issue like ACC

To me the Govt have shown that they do listen to NZ and after using the democratic right to protest they have accepted that the proposed ACC levies are to be dropped.

Oh for goodness sake, you're not really that naive are you!?

[Flip]

I asked Phil Goff on the steps of the Auckland Museum if Labour would roll back that ACC levies on motorcylists if tehy get back in.

He said yes in front of the cameras.

So now it is on record.

Taxes go on very easily but seldom if ever come off.

[MacD]

.I have heard how ineffecient and costly ACC is to administer and maybe privatisation will be better...Workplace when it was in place for a year worked better...

Please read the PriceWaterhouseCoopers 2008 report into ACC, then tell me that ACC is less cost efficient than equivalent private systems.

When the Workplace account was privatised some larger businesses saw decreased premiums, however many smaller businesses found their costs increased, and nearly all self-employed people stayed with ACC.

[Flip]

and now maybe-just maybe-those who voted in national because they were bored or Helen wasnt as hot as she should have been or simply because Mr Key was a nice guy are all feeling a bit stupid.......LEOPARDS DONT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS NO MATTER WHAT SUITS THEY ARE WEARING

For me it was that bloddy anti smacking bill. The labour govt pushed it through, without listening to the will of the people, and we voted them out. Its how the system works.

[StoneY]

I asked Phil Goff on the steps of the Auckland Museum if Labour would roll back the increased ACC levies on motorcylists if they get back in.

He said yes in front of the cameras.

So now it is on record.

He promised me exactly the same in front of no less than 4 KBers I had made 'officials'
We had a good crew on stage, my mate Byron worked on the background so 'no surprise' unlike I hit the Nat's with on the HB MP that had not delivered his message.
HILARIOUS!

Seriously, Phil Goff has sworn to me face to face he will preserve ACC as it WAS not as it IS!
Its a godamn NZ treasure, a right and privellege NO other nation on earth has as well managed, and we need to fight tooth and fuckin nail to save it

Yes, we WILL vote against a sitting government over ACC issues!