Public backlash begins

**Brian d marge** · 21st November 2009, 01:33

This, or even the face book link should be in the Jokes and humor section

surely ,,, it has to be a joke ,,,no one could be that......

hmmm yes they can,,,,,,

As you were

Stephen

**Nasty** · 21st November 2009, 05:02

Won't let me post on the wall .. maybe they have packed a sad

Everyone has the right to their own opinion .. and you have yours. Unfortuantely, you appear to be somewhat misguided, have you decided this on your own - and not bothered to read anything that is out there about the mission bay protest.

I, personally, have very right to go to a cafe and purchase breakfast - it doesn't matter what type of vehicle I choose to take - but IF I choose to take my motorcycle I can generally take up much less room, utilise less resources (carbon footprint) etc. The costs of the proposed ACC levy response will force a number of riders back into cars - this is one of the points of this demonstration.

How will the proposed levies affect other people who utilise the facilities around our fine cities and country towns if this should happen. How will businesses be affected that rely on motorcycle trade in order to survive - there are many of these throughout the coutry.

From your OP you wish to diminish the rights of road users in general - have you considered the impact of the proposed changes to ACC on yourself? They include almost doubling the car registration costs, upping employer and employee levies, and taking more off all users at the petrol pump.

The motorcyclists campaign is also being used to educate a rather uneducated public on these issues, or are you just willing to let this slip in and pay through the nose when ACC has yet to provide any figures worth a grain of salt in evidence of these changes. ACC has choosen to have the public focus on the motorcycle issue, in order to hide the other rises in the report. Out of the 2500 responses to the proposal I hope that yours was one - as you are targetted as well as the rest of us.

Motorcyclists are right ... this campaign in general has the theme WHO'S NEXT. Believe me IT IS YOU and those LIKE YOU who choose to ignore what is happening and complain when others have decided that it is not good enough.

**mashman** · 21st November 2009, 06:33

Originally Posted by babey8

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

Thanks for posting babey8! We need to know what the rest of NZ is thinking, so we can hopefully educate them in the art of smelling "bullshit" Still no icon ha ha) when they're fed it by the government.

**oldrider** · 21st November 2009, 06:56

Originally Posted by babey8

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

I don't believe this "John Smith" is for real, maybe it's ACC or AA in disguise!

You wouldn't believe how these common names get abused like this!

How would I know? Listen, I will say this only once! My real name is "John Jones"!

**Maha** · 21st November 2009, 07:00

Originally Posted by oldrider

I don't believe this "John Smith" is for real, maybe it's ACC or AA in disguise!

You wouldn't believe how these common names get abused like this!

How would I know? Listen, I will say this only once! My real name is "John Jones"!

Mines.. Thadious Ordingous Jehova Wainwright III
But people just call me Mark.

**Hans** · 21st November 2009, 10:19

What makes anyone think this is anything else than an act of the state against us?

**McJim** · 21st November 2009, 10:41

Originally Posted by allycatz

Lets just replicate the bikoi with 6000 cars and see what the traffic jams are....where do people with cars get off thinking they have more rights than bikes on the road anyway

Motorcyclists think they have more rights than cyclists too! Go figure.

**huff3r** · 21st November 2009, 11:25

Originally Posted by McJim

Motorcyclists think they have more rights than cyclists too! Go figure.

The thing ive always wondered about this is... if all vehicles pay "road user charges" either independently, or through taxes on petrol, in order to use our roads, then how come cyclists get a free ride? I get that they do less damage to the roads, so they should pay less then shouldnt they? Not nothing...

**Tank** · 21st November 2009, 11:35

pfft - john smith is a fake profile. Click on report and it will be closed down.

I have - the more that do - the faster it will be closed down.

As for public backlash - 6500 people in wellington was a backlash - one dipshit on face book isnt quite in the same league.

**p.dath** · 21st November 2009, 11:57

Originally Posted by huff3r

The thing ive always wondered about this is... if all vehicles pay "road user charges" either independently, or through taxes on petrol, in order to use our roads, then how come cyclists get a free ride? I get that they do less damage to the roads, so they should pay less then shouldnt they? Not nothing...

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

But I don't think we should be pointing the finger, saying what about them, what about me.

We should be pushing forward on the Woodhouse principles. It's about everyone contributing for the good of the community. That I believe is what Woodhouse was trying to have implemented.

And if the cost is too great for all of us to bear, then we need to help those who need it the most, and work down form there. And yes, that means lots of people with minor issues may miss out. And it means entitlements for some things will have to be dropped.

**MacD** · 21st November 2009, 12:50

Originally Posted by p.dath

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

Correct, but so do motorcyclists for recreational accidents. Where an accident is determined to be recreational (cyclist or motorcyclist - i.e. off-road) the costs are placed against the Earner's Account.

When an accident involving a cyclist or motorcyclist occurs on-road, the costs are placed against the Motor Vehicle account. Only owners of registered vehicles and petrol-users pay directly into the motor vehicle account.

ACC claims that these categories are kept separate, however there is evidence from hospital surveys that off-road motorcycle accidents are being charged against the Motor Vehicle account due to errors made by hospital staff in form filling.

**Mully** · 21st November 2009, 12:56

Originally Posted by Tank

pfft - john smith is a fake profile. Click on report and it will be closed down.

I have - the more that do - the faster it will be closed down.

How do we do that??

EDIT: Never mind. Figured it out. My Facebook is in Pirate English, so it's a bit hard to understand sometimes

**Tank** · 21st November 2009, 14:10

Originally Posted by p.dath

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

Surprisingly - most of us have deductions taken from our pay also.

Also - a huge %age of bikes are purely recreational.

**Tank** · 21st November 2009, 14:14

Originally Posted by babey8

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

Just noticed - you post this within 20 mins of joining - me thinks you might be John Smith.

Just for that - Im going to turn up on Sunday with the mother of god - loud pipes - you're welcome.

**Papa Bear** · 21st November 2009, 14:32

Originally Posted by huff3r

The thing ive always wondered about this is... if all vehicles pay "road user charges" either independently, or through taxes on petrol, in order to use our roads, then how come cyclists get a free ride? I get that they do less damage to the roads, so they should pay less then shouldnt they? Not nothing...

Maybe they need to put a hubo on their cycles and buy RUC and have that on display why riding !!!