Smacking - sometimes it's just hard not to do!

[CookMySock]

Self-Control?

What if point a gun at you and insist you get some self control? No?

Let it go. You can't control people.

Steve

[Stirts]

Can't beat them any-more - but can still traumatise them.

Most definitely. As a kid all Dad had to do with us was give us the evil eye and we would very quickly pull our heads in!! Although that was only after learning the feeling of his hand and our bum cheek meeting with considerable velocity.

[R6_kid:Me]

Does the anti-smacking bill extend to verbally threatening a child?

[crazyhorse]

I guess they behave the way you let them.

We are all creatures of learned behaviour - in everything we say and do. If allowed to swear, we will, if allowed to mistreat others, we do [hypothetically of course]

So, when we allow our children do things without proper teaching, they will do the things they have learned. Sad but true.

With no corporate punishment in schools anymore, even the teachers have no control. Fathers no longer attend school camps incase they are accused of touching someone.

This is the society we have ALLOWED to create.

[neels]

Fathers no longer attend school camps incase they are accused of touching someone.

I attended a school camp with a couple of other fathers, and you're correct about teachers having no control. When the kids wouldn't behave one of the dads would shout at them and it sorted them out, the teachers aren't allowed to do that to peoples little darlings but they didn't complain about us doing it.

[rainman]

Sigh.

The adults did not have to smack their child. But they absolutely did have to discipline her, to make is unambiguously clear to the kid that her behaviour was completely out of line, and would not be tolerated. This could be done via the path of smacking, or the path of not smacking. One is the lazy option, likely to work short-term, but have long-term issues. The other takes some parenting skill. Why am I not surprised to see people defending the lazy option?

Perhaps they are indeed smackers, anyway - where did the kid learn the trick from?

[mashman]

What if point a gun at you and insist you get some self control? No?

Let it go. You can't control people.

Steve

I was just highlighting that there is one person that can control you, you!

I never for one moment said anything about controlling other people, but was more alluding to giving my children the ability to understand what they're feeling and helping them understand the concept behind self-control, not just going out in the street and waving a gun in someone's face...

[Tank]

The illusion of control is just a fantasy - a very dangerous one.

There is no "control". Perhaps people would like society to have "control" over them? I do not think so. If there was "control" then people could control you. You don't get it only one way - it's either both ways, or no ways.

The sooner people let go of the idea of "control", the better.

Steve

of course there is control. We see it each and every day, and all of us to one extent or another are subject to it as well.

Easy example - there are many things one would like to do - but cannot do simply because there are laws controlling us.

You select to break the law - then they control you by making you go to court.

Annoy the judge enough and he controls you by sending you to jail.

Tell your cell mate you ride a HoBag, he controls you by making you one.

See.

[mashman]

With no corporate punishment in schools anymore

Corporate punishment is something we need these days, but i don't think it'll really work in schools

[crazyhorse]

I attended a school camp with a couple of other fathers, and you're correct about teachers having no control. When the kids wouldn't behave one of the dads would shout at them and it sorted them out, the teachers aren't allowed to do that to peoples little darlings but they didn't complain about us doing it.

My sister is a teacher, and the next crazy thing is this:

School reports - she is not allowed to put any negative comments about the child's learning or behaviour - stoopid! if ya ask me!

Parents are now getting a false report - telling them how wonderful their little snots are. Not saying, they need to do better with this or that.

YOu cannot live in a society that makes people feel good about themselves - it is not reality. We cannot all win the race, someone needs to come last!

Rant over

[mashman]

of course there is control. We see it each and every day, and all of us to one extent or another are subject to it as well.

Easy example - there are many things one would like to do - but cannot do simply because there are laws controlling us.

You select to break the law - then they control you by making you go to court.

Annoy the judge enough and he controls you by sending you to jail.

Tell your cell mate you ride a HoBag, he controls you by making you one.

See.

Nooooooo, cause DB is totin a pistola hombre, and cahonez that size, noones gonna get control over him without a fight

[Tank]

Nooooooo, cause DB is totin a pistola hombre, and cahonez that size, noones gonna get control over him without a fight

There is always some one bigger, stronger and who hasnt seen a woman in a long, long time.

[crazyhorse]

Corporate punishment is something we need these days, but i don't think it'll really work in schools

True, but I think we need to stop wrapping kids up in cottonwool too - let them fall out of trees, skin their knees, and hurt themselves, brush themselves off and do it again. Too much "you can't do that" in todays world

[mashman]

My sister is a teacher, and the next crazy thing is this:

School reports - she is not allowed to put any negative comments about the child's learning or behaviour - stoopid! if ya ask me!

Parents are now getting a false report - telling them how wonderful their little snots are. Not saying, they need to do better with this or that.

YOu cannot live in a society that makes people feel good about themselves - it is not reality. We cannot all win the race, someone needs to come last!

Rant over

That backs up the conversation I had with the teacher of my eldest... Essentially they're encouraging everyone to be the same, no winners, no losers, just dangly bits in different places etc... but with more of a focus on helping those at the loser end of the scale... Hardly surprising that suicides amongst kids these days are so high... dissapointment is all part of the growing process... if they don't know any better, how/where are they going to vent that dissapointment

[mashman]

True, but I think we need to stop wrapping kids up in cottonwool too - let them fall out of trees, skin their knees, and hurt themselves, brusht themselves off and do it again. Too much "you can't do that" in todays world

oh i whole heartedly agree, I can't understand those that don't get it... then again though, those that don't get it likely don't spend enough time with their kids!

It's one of the most ignorant laws i've ever seen in my entire life...