To all those people who voted National.

[325rocket]

voted bill n ben
i mean what worse could they do?

thats what i did aswell!. didnt think they would get anywhere and if they did it would of been fucking funnie

and ill vote bill and ben next time aswell i make a lil box at the top of the paper if they arnt running

if only people werent morons

..touché..

[Maha]

Cant really blame those who voted National for whats going on right now. They voted the right way in thier own minds at the time.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing (this ACC issue is a great expose' of that)
Some poeple early on blamed Labour for the way things are now, well ya cant really blame them either. They are not the ones full of shit at the moment. Labour had nothing to do with the levy increase proposal, thats all National.

It was said yesterday that a KB Poll (laughable I know) showed that 70% of those that voted would vote National. Now to prove what a crock KB polls are, if 100 people voted on the poll, that would only be 70 voters out of how many members?.... na sorry, 70% sounds alot (and it would be if 4000 people voted) but they didnt. It has a margin of era of 25.3 %...

PS: I have never voted National.

[Mully]

true but its not a single issue for me. its more the 'this is what we want to do so we're doing it' attitude.

Umm, cos Labour didn't have that attitude?

At all??

Really??

I love the way people still think politicians (of whatever colour) give a rat's arse about the populace.

All of them. ALL OF THEM are there for themselves and/or their mates/whanau.

Sure, they'll make all the right noises about "improving New Zealand" and blah blah fucking blah, but they are all about getting their snouts in the trough and lining their pockets.

Dont for a second think that had Labour won the election in 2008 that the roles now wouldn't be reversed.

ACC would still be trying to rort motorcyclists (as I recall, Labour presided over the increases in rego last time) and National would be attacking Labour.

THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT - INFIGHTING AMONGST MOTORCYCLISTS. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. THIS IS GOVERNMENT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

The more we sit here going "Red/Blue" or "National/Labour" the more they love it - cos it gets us off Smithys back and he can keep bullshitting the populace unhindered.

[James Deuce]

See where I'm going with this? You're all thinking about other things because of the impetus provided by a single issue. The broader picture is expanding for all of us and how the wheels of power turn is much more obvious thanks to poor old Dr Smith being given a right royal wake up call every time he appears in public. You can do this with other issues, other lobby groups, other threatened segments of NZ society.

Maybe NZ's history of exploitative governance is at an end thanks to the efforts of a bunch of stinking bikers.

Anything that makes Kiwis politically aware is good in my book, even if I am "forced" to buy an enormously powerful motorbike and take bag lunches and ride public transport all week, just so I can have a decent weekend ride and really use up that ACC levy increase.

Just remember how much power proportional voting systems can give you.

[The Everlasting]

Yeah,had no idea when voting that they would be this terrible. Won't make that mistake again!!

[Pussy]

Umm, cos Labour didn't have that attitude?

At all??

Really??

I love the way people still think politicians (of whatever colour) give a rat's arse about the populace.

All of them. ALL OF THEM are there for themselves and/or their mates/whanau.

Sure, they'll make all the right noises about "improving New Zealand" and blah blah fucking blah, but they are all about getting their snouts in the trough and lining their pockets.

Dont for a second think that had Labour won the election in 2008 that the roles now wouldn't be reversed.

ACC would still be trying to rort motorcyclists (as I recall, Labour presided over the increases in rego last time) and National would be attacking Labour.

THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT - INFIGHTING AMONGST MOTORCYCLISTS. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. THIS IS GOVERNMENT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.

The more we sit here going "Red/Blue" or "National/Labour" the more they love it - cos it gets us off Smithys back and he can keep bullshitting the populace unhindered.

Spot on, Mully.
We need to be unified as motorcyclists on this

[Ixion]

Cant really blame those who voted National for whats going on right now. They voted the right way in thier own minds at the time.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing (this ACC issue is a great expose' of that)
Some poeple early on blamed Labour for the way things are now, well ya cant really blame them either. They are not the ones full of shit at the moment. Labour had nothing to do with the levy increase proposal, thats all National.

It was said yesterday that a KB Poll (laughable I know) showed that 70% of those that voted would vote National. Now to prove what a crock KB polls are, if 100 people voted on the poll, that would only be 70 voters out of how many members?.... na sorry, 70% sounds alot (and it would be if 4000 people voted) but they didnt. It has a margin of era of 25.3 %...

PS: I have never voted National.

7% margin of error on that one.

[p.dath]

Dol!

Homer

The only worse decision would have been to put any other party into majority Government.

Overall they have done a great job steering us through the difficult times, and to be blunt, there was a lot to fix up.

I don't think I would vote a party out on a single issue. That would be a very blinkered view to adopt.

[Mr Merde]

See where I'm going with this? You're all thinking about other things because of the impetus provided by a single issue. The broader picture is expanding for all of us and how the wheels of power turn is much more obvious thanks to poor old Dr Smith being given a right royal wake up call every time he appears in public. You can do this with other issues, other lobby groups, other threatened segments of NZ society.

Maybe NZ's history of exploitative governance is at an end thanks to the efforts of a bunch of stinking bikers.

Anything that makes Kiwis politically aware is good in my book, even if I am "forced" to buy an enormously powerful motorbike and take bag lunches and ride public transport all week, just so I can have a decent weekend ride and really use up that ACC levy increase.

Just remember how much power proportional voting systems can give you.

Slightly of topic but an example of what a few people with their backs up can do.

I am a target shooter. The Police have recently decided to reinterpret the laws as to what firearms we can own under what licence. This is not up to them as the Firearms Act is very specific. One of us got his back up and started talking to a few more of us. This person with the support of like minded people have taken the NZ Police to the high courts in both Palmerston North and in Wellington. We are in the 5th week now of waiting for the judicial review to be posted. Has to be done by the end of the week. The Police themselves are not very confident of their sucess. Existing shooting bodies are now starting to contact this fledgling group and attempt to take some of the credit. They talk now of "our law suite".

About 100 of us have taken a multi million dollar business (they are a business) to court over their "illegal" actions and are in a very strong winning position.

All it takes is for those agrieved toi actually walk the walk.

[Marmoot]

The problem in the last government wasn't really the labour voters.

It was the green voters.

[sammcj]

every bloody time National gets in...

I don't like Nation or Labour but seriously, every bloody time the Nat's get in theres a real feeling the govt. is out of touch.

[sammcj]

Don't think this has already been posted, but during such sad times I think it's important to sit back and remember it's important to make fun of those we can't bloody stand!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Art/Carving...-250472279.htm

Portrait of New Zealand's environment minister Nick Smith by Sculptor Sam Mahon.

Medium: Cow manure.

The sculpture is light and hollow and highly polished. It sits on a steel stand slightly right of centre.

Pickup would be available



* Winning bid: $3,080.00

Feel free to follow up with more venting

[Flip]

The only worse decision would have been to put any other party into majority Government.

Overall they have done a great job steering us through the difficult times, and to be blunt, there was a lot to fix up.

I don't think I would vote a party out on a single issue. That would be a very blinkered view to adopt.

The problem is they are not listening.

[MikeL]

Yes have to admit I was a 1st time Nat voter. I wanted to see that hairy legged social engineering lesbo gone.

And aren't you happy? When I was young that was called cutting off your nose to spite your face...
As I've written several times, the vitriolic hatred that Helen Clark has evoked in white middle-class males went (and goes) way beyond policies and principles. You just can't hack the fact that she is not only just about the most intelligent prime minister this country has ever had, but a (gasp!) woman (which is why the constant snide remarks about her sexuality (well, if she's a lesbo she's not a real woman, is she?). As for all this nonsense about 'social engineering" - that's just another buzz word to hide either prejudice or stupidity. If you don't think governments have any business telling us how to live our lives, then you should be protesting against compulsory education, minimum age for employment, laws against slavery and so on. I wrote before that the correct definition of "social engineering" is simply "any regulation that I don't happen to be believe in". And if you think that your hopes for the National government to put an end to all that are realistic, think again:" it's an "aspirational goal", not a realistic one (If this government deserves to be remembered for anything, it should be for that single phrase, which just about sums up the whole muddle-headed mess).

Some of us at least were clear-sighted enough a year ago to sound a warning, but saying "I told you so" is cold comfort. If disenchantment is starting to set in already, just think what you'll all be moaning about this time next year...

[sammcj]

And aren't you happy?

Helen: Smart but didn't do enough

John: Slimy and did all the wrong things


He just doesn't look like someone who should be trusted with something you care about!