Endurance race 22/11 Kaitoke definite

**nudemetalz** · 3rd December 2009, 13:12

Fair call,..and thanks, Fraulein Trudes.

My opinion is that from next year, you peoples clamp down on wearing the correct gear,..ie no back-protector, no ride.
I learnt the hard way after crashing hard in a multi-bike pile-up.

Just as important as the nyloning. I'll come out to the odd meeting (where my new family will allow) and help out.

**jasonu** · 3rd December 2009, 13:51

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Maybe this isn't the welly way (or even the thread?), but one does wonder at what stage it gets suggested that John buys a legal bucket?

Hey Dave,
Do you guys run a season points championship like they do in Auckland? If yes, then this guy on the 'fast' pit bike may well effect the final result by takeing points from others. Even if the pit bike is not awarded points for his finishes, he can still potentially effect the result of the race by diceing with/passing/slowing/knocking off the genuine points contenders on legal machinery. Rules are rules. Maybe try encouraging these guys to have a go in the practice sessions to get them enthused enough to get a legal machine.
Just saying.

**saxet** · 3rd December 2009, 15:28

I think a definition of "competition parts" could be required as it could include hot cams for four strokes or aftermarket pistons for any bike.
Personally I think it's a bit vague as to where the line is and I gotta admit I'm confused as to how it all works out.

**F5 Dave** · 3rd December 2009, 17:16

from chapter 24:
. . . Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted. There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. . . .

ok so that is pretty straight forward. If you are buying any parts that are designed for Racing/competition (apart from as mentioned pistons & cams) then it is not a legal part.

In fact it has cleared a up a grey area for me. A DS80 should be perfectly legal. As should for (for example) a pit bike.

But if one was to open a catalog & order some race parts, after market performance cylinder or head or whatever. That would clearly be a competition part. As we know they race pit bikes & there is a burgeoning market of hot up parts.

. . . And a Pocket bike is clearly a competition bike, not that you'd be crazy enough to try & enter one.

**Number One** · 3rd December 2009, 17:52

Originally Posted by koba

not everyone is on the internet

Originally Posted by Trudes

Maybe that rule hadn't been made known to all, and who was in charge of checking gear? We can have this same discussion every year if you like.

Same conversation...Mmm hmmm indeed.

I recall (at the same time last year infact) a radical idea where it was suggested that a group of people each day or someone was charged with ensuring that everyone had one and calling for vounteers to volunteer to share on here etc etc etc. It takes people to step up, speak up and put up..and THAT is such a fucking thankless task sometimes innit?!

The issue I can't get my head around is why the hell anyone would get out there without a back protector, I would beg or steal one if I had to!

...perhaps though they just haven't crashed yet...so don't know that pain...show off bastards!

**quallman1234** · 3rd December 2009, 22:39

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

But if one was to open a catalog & order some race parts, after market performance cylinder or head or whatever. That would clearly be a competition part. As we know they race pit bikes & there is a burgeoning market of hot up parts.

Does Richard fit into this? I'm not sure what the deal is with his bucket. But i got the idea that he ordered certain 'race' parts for it from some china website.

Could be completely wrong.

Personally i'm apposed to kicking him out simply because, where else is he going to race?
If there is a sudden insurge of pit bikes, enough to make a race, then maybe they should get together and do just that. But for the time being there's only one out there who fits roughly into the poorly written rules.

**saxet** · 4th December 2009, 07:46

Originally Posted by quallman1234

Personally i'm apposed to kicking him out simply because, where else is he going to race?
If there is a sudden insurge of pit bikes, enough to make a race, then maybe they should get together and do just that. But for the time being there's only one out there who fits roughly into the poorly written rules.

Ditto.

**Trudes** · 4th December 2009, 08:05

I take it as we don't want to "kick him out", more if he wants to race a pitbike it, like the buckets, has to fall under the 'rules' as far as competition parts, engine etc.

**F5 Dave** · 4th December 2009, 08:31

Originally Posted by quallman1234

Does Richard fit into this? I'm not sure what the deal is with his bucket. But i got the idea that he ordered certain 'race' parts for it from some china website.

Could be completely wrong.

Personally i'm apposed to kicking him out simply because, where else is he going to race?
If there is a sudden insurge of pit bikes, enough to make a race, then maybe they should get together and do just that. But for the time being there's only one out there who fits roughly into the poorly written rules.

Richard fits in here:
"There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. . . . "

Easy to criticise the rules, but they were around before the term Pitbike had even been invented. Actually I think they are still quite well written.

Post Classic rules do go a stage further by saying that aftermarket big bore kits such as MTC kits are not legal. But that is implied by our rules & Post Classics do allow other race parts so they are coming from another direction.

**richban** · 6th December 2009, 09:00

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Richard fits in here:
"There shall be no
restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston, cam, valve
springs or cooling system except for class eligibility. . . . "

When I looked at modifying that engine the first thing I did was read and re read the rules. They are well writen and easily followed. Everything in my engine is custom the piston was a CBR piston made to fit. Valves are yamaha all the rest is fxr modifided. A proper bucket engine.

**Sketchy_Racer** · 6th December 2009, 10:44

Originally Posted by richban

When I looked at modifying that engine the first thing I did was read and re read the rules. They are well writen and easily followed. Everything in my engine is custom the piston was a CBR piston made to fit. Valves are yamaha all the rest is fxr modifided. A proper bucket engine.

Yeah but it's faster in a straight line than mine and I don't like that so I may have to protest you, just so I can see the inside of your motor

**Yow Ling** · 6th December 2009, 12:03

Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer

Yeah but it's faster in a straight line than mine and I don't like that so I may have to protest you, just so I can see the inside of your motor

$100 to look inside his motor is pretty expensive. Then all you would find is all the normal stuff

**jasonu** · 6th December 2009, 13:43

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

$100 to look inside his motor is pretty expensive. Then all you would find is all the normal stuff

$100 to look inside the winning motor is a bargain. Have your vernier at the ready!!!

**Yow Ling** · 6th December 2009, 14:51

does the protester even get to look?
We havnt had a protest in the last 4 or 5 years ive been racing so I wouldnt know. Maybe we need a protest tech centre , Ill set one up send all the dodgy motors here for examining !!!!