That chart is laughable, suggesting the cannabis is about as bad as a cup of coffee.Originally Posted by scissorhands
People don't suffer severe memory issues from drinking coffee.
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That chart is laughable, suggesting the cannabis is about as bad as a cup of coffee.
People don't suffer severe memory issues from drinking coffee.
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Caffeine overdose can kill you. People have died that way.
So, mm, given that THC isn't toxic at any dose, I'd say a cup of coffee is somewhat worse than cannabis.
Not to mention the fact that caffeine is physiologically addictive. I can't go a day without it, lest I develop headaches and tremors.
But I happily go weeks without smoking cannabis.
Mind you, I don't think anybody would argue that inhaling the smoke from burning plant material can ever be good for you (cannabis is much better taken using a vaporiser, or prepared in food).
Neither would they argue that non-stimulant psychoactives are a good idea when in control of machinery.
What gets up most cannabis users' noses is the fact that the law is an arbitrary ass when it comes to distinguishing between psychoactives. If caffeine, nicotine and alcohol were invented today, they'd all be class B scheduled drugs.
And, in terms of the social harm caused by intoxicated people, I doubt you'd find many cops who wouldn't cautiously support the idea of swapping cannabis legalisation for alcohol prohibition.
In principle, of course. Alcohol prohibition, as we all know, just doesn't work. Then again, neither does cannabis prohibition. But the circular argument from the status quo for the status quo seems to convince most people, doesn't it?
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No more laugable than the blinkered view individuals take when discussing pot vs alcohol vs tobaco.
On the subject of addiction: This has moved from the user [always questionable to begin with] to law enforcement. Particularly in the states; law enforcement authorities are addicted to the job creation and income derived from pot. Unfortunately enforcing speed limits creates the same kind of addiction for authorities the world over-income!
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Gammaguy for me hit the nail on the head.
I dont give a fuck what the stoners do - but I do give a fuck when they are out there on the road stoned and lack the intellegence to believe that they are a danger to other road users.
Get them off the road and take away their licence I say. Because drugged drivers can (and do) kill people.
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Everyone should know the answer to this question.
It's because the consequences of a mistake becomes much more clear to them, both in terms of how people will feel about it, and in terms of the idea of physically ramming something.
Put simply, to stoners, much care is required in day to day activities, mostly just to complete them successfully and not forget everything lol, but also because they just wouldn't do anything that they or anyone else would have bad feelings about, because that will seriously fuck everyones "stone." Having a car crash while stoned would be a horrendous event - even falling over and whacking your knee will be, and no stoner wants that, for anyone not just themselves.
Contrast this to piss heads or P heads, who are unable to comprehend anything other than their current fixation, have no care for anyones' feelings, are completely isolated from the outside world by their drug (contrast stoners who are more connected with it), who you should rightly be fearful of.
I wouldn't go as far as saying stoners can drive or ride safely at any level of intoxication, but I would say it was pretty clear to them what they should and should not be doing, and why, instead of the opposite. Perhaps there would be a few people where this would not apply, but in general, perhaps you get the picture.
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Motocross, snowboarding, skateboarding, surfing, and from what I believe about bikers and biking, are extreme sports that all enjoy a fairly high degree of cannabis use. They must be some of the most useless drivers and riders around!! They often stop their sport, have a smoke, and hurl down the mountain once more.
I agree with the health and safety warnings guys. I agree wholeheartedly. Personally, I eat good food, never get pissed ever(even though I tend to drink most days), never suffer back problems, and am one of the slower vehicles on the road. I'm buying a 990cc car to replace the last 1 liter 43hp car I recently sold. I cant rememeber the last time I did 120km/hr. I have only been to the doctor a few times in the last 20 years, usually for surfing or work related injuries. I did crash my bike once in Bali while on magic mushrooms, dont recommend it. Otherwise crash and accident free for 30 years now.
So I really do appreciate wise words on health an safety.
Avoiding stress, thats a big one, a really big one for many people from a bad situation, or without a supportive family or community, or those who find it difficult to maintain a normally healthy level of happiness and peace in their day to day life. Thats why many people smoke I think.
Neurosis is an ongoing everyday accident some people have to suffer again and again everyday in a screwed up world....Wouldnt it be nice if your neighbours confused kids didnt get busted, have a conviction, and tie up police and the courts. The recent drug testing was only introduced after National MP's were bullied into voting 100% against medical marijuana, its political. Surely testing would have been in practise sooner if poor driving is as prevalent as suggested here.
Bikers go for rides, go to the pub, then ride home. Surely this is dangerous too? Like alcohol, a small amount of cannabis for someone accustomed to grass is a negligible safety risk.
I'm all for coordination testing by the police, as long as it does not become a prohibitionists vehicle to peddle a form of selective morality, on a minority that is usually very passive and gentle
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The reason people smoke dope, is because it connects them with the world and the people around them, in such a way that they feel more a part of it. You have nothing to fear from these people. It is indelibly stamped on their mind what feels bad, and they will avoid it at all costs, both for you and for them.
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It connects them with a world, but it aint the real one.
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Simple question then.
You need someone to drive your kids up the Coromandel.
You have two people to choose from. One is 100% 'with it' the other has been smoking pot all afternoon.
Who would you choose?
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Definitely the 100% with it non smoker. Everytime. But I think this is a moot point.
I'm not saying pot is good for driving, its not. And in the hands of those who dont drive well to begin with, its extremely dangerous. Thats why I support coordination testing. However, it would be wrong for police to harangue a capable, coordinated driver because he has long hair, looks and talks like a stoner.
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I think more research needs to be done. From the scientific research I have seen I think that it should atleast have an age limit of 25+ due to the affects it can have on brain development. The only problem with consumption is that compared to alcohol it is very easy to 'overdose' and end up being stoned for much longer than expected. Excess alcohol consumption will generally make people throw up and then wake up feeling like crap whereas being significantly 'stoned-over' usually means you just have a slight-buzz but are still somewhat stoned and this is when it can be dangerous.
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