Les just rolled over

[Pussy]

He does NOT represent all bikers. He does not represent any particular sector of bikers. He does NOT represent my opinion.

The fight continues!!
Fuck ACC.

The arselicker doesn't speak for me, either!!

[Beeza]

Levy the rider or, better still, the petrol. If I have 5 bikes, I'm not at a fivefold risk of hurting myself. At any given moment, 4 of my 5 bikes are obviously sitting idly in my shed. And if I cover only 1000 sunny Sunday kilometres a year on all five -- as a fairweather rider -- I shouldn't pay for covering the same insurance risk as a rider who rides 15000 hectic kms in grotty weather in city traffic. Then, if I race on a racetrack, I pay zero ACC levy? And farmbikes, dirtbikes and quads pay absolutely nothing to ACC, just like pedal cyclists? So where's the fairness? ALL these inequities are still there in the system while Dr Smith still drones on and on about the "very high risks" of motorcycling putting an "unfair drain" on ACC resources, and trotting out the same bogus numbers.

[Squiggles]

I found it interesting that they kept the fuel levy constant... wonder why

[Katman]

Do we really need BRONZ though? There is currently a forum where large numbers of bikers can organise, and it is free. The place I refer to has been the driving force behind almost all of the ACC levy hike protests. The place I am obviously referring to is Kiwibiker. BRONZ has lost all relevance, it is a small splinter-group of people and should shut down in the interests of unity.

I'm sure the politicians would love nothing more than to go head to head with Kiwibiker.

Fuck me, talk about sending pre-schoolers to do a grown-ups job!

[kave]

I'm sure the politicians would love nothing more than to go head to head with Kiwibiker.

Fuck me, talk about sending pre-schoolers to do a grown-ups job!

What do you think Ixion, Stoney or any of the others are. Thats right, they are Kiwibikers. I wouldn't refer to them as pre-schoolers. To be honest BRONZ with its pitiful 100 members obviously lacks any mandate to speak on behalf of bikers. The only real weight behind anything they say, is that they have the support of kiwibiker. This is already the reality, lets admit it and then use it.

[Pussy]

What do you think Ixion, Stoney or any of the others are. Thats right, they are Kiwibikers. I wouldn't refer to them as pre-schoolers. To be honest BRONZ with its pitiful 100 members obviously lacks any mandate to speak on behalf of bikers. The only real weight behind anything they say, is that they have the support of kiwibiker. This is already the reality, lets admit it and then use it.

What about everyone shelling out $20.00 and becoming members of BRONZ?

[James Deuce]

Another good point.

[cowpatz]

Why not a combination of licence holder levy and a fuel levy? I have more than 1 car and a bike but just the one licence.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

And farmbikes, dirtbikes and quads pay absolutely nothing to ACC,.

You think? You obviously don't own a farm. Cost shit loads.

I have read this and a few other threads on here and it is amazing how divided and nasty this has become. Get back to the basics.

ACC no fault no blame even spread.

No fully funded forward crap.

ACC is not broke.

This is like herding cats. You lot are eating each other up and I am really inclined to not read any more. Such venom for each other.

Well done for the ones that have worked to get this far to date.

[Maha]

I'm sure the politicians would love nothing more than to go head to head with Kiwibiker.

Fuck me, talk about sending pre-schoolers to do a grown-ups job!

You have to admit though Steve, there some very intelligent and clued-up people on here. Those that do have the ability to take on anything thrown at them and not shiver ane quake as the brick wall gets closer. Over the last few months, my eyes have been widened by the new people I have met, and just how commited and knowledgeable they are about the issue they're attending to.

[Katman]

You have to admit though Steve, there some very intelligent and clued-up people on here.

It's just a pity they're so outnumbered.

[sidecar bob]

The arselicker doesn't speak for me, either!!

Dude, what your posts lack in size, they make up for in quality. Keep it coming, youre saving me a heap of typing.

[oldrider]

That long haul has been going since the eighties ..... and will continue long after I am dead and buried I am afraid

In the mean time , ya got to get the oldies to realize that national is such a nice man after all and get rid of the baskets

AND THE LAWS THE HAVE PUT IN PLACE

Stephen

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Liabour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

If we don't remain "apolitical", we will just divide ourselves up!

[Pussy]

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Liabour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

If we don't remain "apolitical", we will just divide ourselves up!

Spot on, John!

[StoneY]

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Labour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

What the fuck are you smokin, ACC worked fine until the NATS broke the model in '93 with the first attempt to tear it apart for JK's rich cronies

If it needs anything, it needs the fucking roll over and milk the easy payout doctors, and the patients they support cut the fuck out and the long term bludgers shot on sight

It aint even a what party issue, its a fucked up mess, with the round table wankers private pet politicians selling OUR kids futures