Excuse me!

[Kennif]

The President of the Ulysess club does not speak for me.

I've been a Ulysses Club member since 1997 (yeah I know!!) But the President of Ulysses doesn't speak for me either. In fact, I'm buggered if I know WHO he is speaking for except, perhaps, for himself. If he IS only speaking for himself then he should have made that clear in his TV statements. (Accepting that he may have done so and had them edited out.)

Right now I am one very pissed-off U-Sillian!!!!

[BoristheBiter]

I am accepting NO levy increase

I will not accept 140$ more on my bikes
I will not allow that fucker Nick Smith to say shit like 'despite bikers refusing to accept....'
I will not roll over and be raped when ACC is not broke, broken, or even in financial straits (coz it aint)

This is a purely NZ system that WORKS and is in good shape, is not broken or broke in either sense of the metaphor

I had the priveledge of sitting down for lunch today with no less than the CEO of a major Govt dept who actually set the rules as to how other govt dept's operate

He says this is wrong...and to keep the protests up coz we ARE making a difference

FUCK NS and fuck accepting 140 instead of 500, I accept NO increase, nothing less and the war continues, I do not care who I offend with this stance

There is more than 140$ per bike at stake here, there is the underlying principles of being a Kiwi, and living in a democracy where the government are MEANT to listen to the people

Roll on Febuary Nick, you aint seen nothing yet

He speaketh not for mew mate the battle continues



A FUCKIN MEN Mom, your my no 1 runner for PM right now

I can see a new party being formed.
"MOM FOR PM, STONEY FOR VPM"

all we need now is a war plan.
oop's sorry a nice sit down chat.

[grbaker]

The president of Ulysses Club almost pissed me off as much as Nick the Dick did... "A good outcome", what an arse-wipe.

Had a thought tho... the last BIKOI had poor coverage from the media (Prime's wasn't too bad)... but Greenpeace got much better coverage of a single person failing to visit John Keys.... ya think we could get Lucy Lawless to ride in the next protest (or someone other media draw card)?

[glegge]

Go to the national party web site, read the media releases back as far as early this year, late last year. what Smith is upto and the use of words like insurance, fully funded etc are all clearly there.
the problem seems to be that no one in the larger community seems to see the problem leaving Mr Woodhouses founding principles behind.

http://www.national.org.nz/MediaRele...px?AuthorId=14 for nicks media releases.
they make an interesting read - you can see what he is trying to do, it seems that no one is trying to stop him, except us! stick to principles, i hope we can win.

[duckonin]

I agree but with the President of the Ulysess Club condoning the rise as acceptable the motocycling fraternity seem to now be divided and weakened

From a tactical perspective I'd go for another rally at Parliment.

The Theme?? WE WILL BE BACK. That would give BRONZ plenty of time for another rally prior to the next election.

Skyryder

Peter Mac spoke for himself "only"...... He needs to stand down from being the "president" of Uylsses for being so weak Uylsses needs a strong leader who can at least inspire and rally the troops to move on a more acceptable solution...That being no increase at all anything but that is not acceptable..

[Mr Merde]

"Another change requires holiday pay to be used first before ACC payments are made..."
http://http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/...ectid=10614692
Has the country woken up to this little snippet in the announcement?

[Nasty]

"Another change requires holiday pay to be used first before ACC payments are made..."
http://http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/...ectid=10614692
Has the country woken up to this little snippet in the announcement?

This was mentioned in the changes ... and xp@ hammered this one home as well ...

[Mom]

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.co...-appeased.html

[StoneY]

Peter Mac spoke for himself "only"...... He needs to stand down from being the "president" of Uylsses for being so weak Uylsses needs a strong leader who can at least inspire and rally the troops to move on a more acceptable solution...That being no increase at all anything but that is not acceptable..

IF I were a Ulyssian, Howard would be a man I would follow happily

[duckonin]

IF I were a Ulyssian, Howard would be a man I would follow happily

Yes and and quite a few others who have the life skills required !!

[Flip]

Ulysses is firstly a motorcycle club for over 40s, like Hog and Rat to name a few, they organise rides and social events for their members. I do not believe many of these MC clubs would have a mandate to act as lobbyist. The fact that the media stick a camera in Peter from Ulysses face and ask his opinion is only that the media want to make press and sell papers. I am a member of Ulysses and it is a big club, I am not happy with the way the good name of Ulysses has been tarnished and used by the government for political gains.

BRONZ is really the only MC lobby group in NZ. BRONZ is mandated by its members to lobby the government, talk to the media, get in the face of MPs, pick on ACC, LTSA and Tranzit.

The Nat-Act government at the moment has a clear majority and can put through any right wing legislative changes they want, they don't need our permission to tax us off the road. We are a minority, all be a vocal one and the government has a majority.

The effectiveness of what we all have been doing cannot be under stated. Have you ever seen a government place large adverts in papers telling their side of a story? Hell a few bikers have put the whole govts spin doctor press core to shame.

I do not think tricky Nicky wanted to back down about this. IMHO it was more likely that the PM did not like to see a sea of black leather clad Bikers protesting at Parliament messing up his grounds and being interviewed by the media. Big vocal demonstrations are not good news for elected governments.

Well I don't like being taxed in this way especially when the govt promised we were going be paying less tax. I also don't like what the govt is trying to do to ACC it stinks. I was personally pleased and somewhat surprised that the ACC increases were so relatively small. I believe government wants us to go away now and not drag this out until the election. I'm not going to do what they want, it is in our best interests to keep the pressure up and force this to become an election issue.

Our real enemies here is the insurance industry lobby group that is trying sucessfully it seems, to get the govt to sell ACC to them.

[BMWST?]

very good points that man!

[Mom]

I for one would be very happy for this issue to still be in the foreground leading up to the next election. Imagine how fast they will have to back off once they realise that the public of NZ are not very happy with them and will vote them out of a job. Bring it on I say! Gives us plenty of time to gather support from all the other affected parties and really stick it to the man.

[ST4s]

Ulysses is firstly a motorcycle club for over 40s, like Hog and Rat to name a few, they organise rides and social events for their members. I do not believe many of these MC clubs would have a mandate to act as lobbyist.

Ullysses Club Rules:

"1.3.1The objectives and purposes of the club are to:
...
(b) promote among government, regulatory authorities, manufacturers, media and other relevant bodies the interests of older motorcyclists in particular and motorcyclists in general"

As a Ulysses member for almost 10 years, primarily to support this objective, I'm not happy about the apparent acceptance of Smith's tactics, although I do believe that the club has played a positive role prior to this.

I do know there are other Ulyssians similarly unhappy at the backdown, and I expect (hope for?) the club to return to the struggle.

As the largest motorcycle organisation, and one with a generally positive public profile, due to in part to charitable activities, i believe that Ulysses can and should make a valuable contribution to the ongoing campaign.

James.
Ulysses # 4931

[Swoop]

I do know there are other Ulyssians similarly unhappy at the backdown

As they bloody well should be!