Call to WAR

**kevie** · 12th December 2009, 23:04

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Where the fuck is everyone for the Christmas Card protest on the 19th?

17 people? Fucken pathetic!

We're still facing a 100% levy increase as it stands and are still staring down the barrel of no ACC in the very near future.

Where the fuck are all you whingers?

started printing some cards from the samples on site here and going it in the Manawatu .... got a few ppl I can deliver them to, one being Bronwyn Torrie the reporter that ran the awesome article in the evening standard on the manawatu group of riders in the bikeoi, and a couple politicians on the list.
Dont know if any other manawatu riders are interested, they all seem a bit quiet

**kevie** · 12th December 2009, 23:51

Originally Posted by fridayflash

im in for sure, id be happy to turn up and frisbee my number plate at
parliment house and declare motorcycles to no longer subject to
fees of any sort....5000 bikers doin that would fuck 'em

nah they would ticket 500 bikers LMAO

But a point I made in one other forum was about a recent 'NZ census' where one of the questions was "How did you travel to work today (Excluding motorcycle) ............ I wrote in red pen "If a motorcycle isnt a recognised motor vehicle why the F**K am I paying rego and wof?" and highlighted it, then underneath wrote in large capitals "I WENT ON MY MOTORCYCLE"

I see where Peter is comming from in his argument, logical... and yeh, we need a plan and discussion on strategy. I still have members of the public come up to me in town voicing support and we need a way to get them voicing that support to the politicians as well somehow when half the voters start getting on their case then they may start to have a rethink.
There is still a place for the 'Bikeoi' style action tho as long as its peaceful and not anything illegal that may start getting us negative coverage and play into the politicians hands to use in tarring our fight.

**drummer** · 13th December 2009, 00:20

Originally Posted by kevie

I see where Peter is comming from in his argument, logical... and yeh, we need a plan and discussion on strategy. I still have members of the public come up to me in town voicing support and we need a way to get them voicing that support to the politicians as well somehow when half the voters start getting on their case then they may start to have a rethink.
There is still a place for the 'Bikeoi' style action tho as long as its peaceful and not anything illegal that may start getting us negative coverage and play into the politicians hands to use in tarring our fight.

Absolutely.. I for one tghink theres an agenda amongst some to make this a total anti government issue... its dam well not.. its an anti policy issue that can effect who is in power... one person even said that I wanted pubic onside... if she had read my post I actually said we don'r want them OFFSIDE.. also someone else suggested getting boy racers onside.. are they kidding? We need to attack policy and do it right... so people like short circuit and duecey.. you go and have your war... but don't say you represent all bikers.. some of us here use our heads as ell..

Peter

**short-circuit** · 13th December 2009, 05:50

Originally Posted by drummer

Absolutely.. I for one tghink theres an agenda amongst some to make this a total anti government issue... its dam well not.. its an anti policy issue that can effect who is in power... one person even said that I wanted pubic onside... if she had read my post I actually said we don'r want them OFFSIDE.. also someone else suggested getting boy racers onside.. are they kidding? We need to attack policy and do it right... so people like short circuit and duecey.. you go and have your war... but don't say you represent all bikers.. some of us here use our heads as ell..

Peter

Your party's agenda is (and always has been) privatising every public service, amenity and asset they can possibly get away with - Why would ACC ever have been any different? Or do you still not understand what's going on fanboi? You either support this or you don't. In many ways ACC is the least of our worries.

Now fuck off and play the drums or something

**chanceyy** · 13th December 2009, 06:38

Originally Posted by kevie

Dont know if any other manawatu riders are interested, they all seem a bit quiet

Ppl who were interested in getting involved had a meeting last monday @ cuba so there will be a continued action in Manawatu/Hororwhenua area and the original Bikeoi thread has had a name change to reflect the current protest actions, and the thread is stickied on the ACC forum page

but here it is the first post will be modified with the current actions happening to make them easier to find

There is a parking protest organised for manawatu next sat .. meet in the square before 8.30. depending on the number of bikes attending is depending on where we are parking so that will be decided on the morning

Make sure you bring money for the meter, and your bike has rego & warrent .. after all we want to be nicely legal so parking wardens & popo do not have fun

There will be other activities planned for the new yr, leading up to febs protest march

**StoneY** · 13th December 2009, 07:00

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Your party's agenda is (and always has been) privatising every public service, amenity and asset they can possibly get away with - Why would ACC ever have been any different? Or do you still not understand what's going on fanboi? You either support this or you don't. In many ways ACC is the least of our worries.

Something wrong here....

I agree with SC wtf!!!!

It IS a National thing, no other government ever spends so much effort trying to sell government assets to the Ozzie's and Yanks!

There is a definite pattern here, been a voter 22 years and ya know....I been here before

**StoneY** · 13th December 2009, 07:03

Originally Posted by kevie

My last registration renewal was for a due date of 07-04-2009 and the 12 month fee was $267.21 ........... looked on the LTSA site just now and its $382.67 sneeky buggers are creaping it up are they then add the proposed increase and iys a big jump in levies.

Im with you ..... they sure are shafting us and lets show them that we arent going to sit there and let them do it.

Its been 382.67 for 11 months man...

Nats put it up back when they won the election......where you been hiding?

The NEXT increase goes on TOP of the 382.67

**oldrider** · 13th December 2009, 07:25

Posters on this subject will soon be required to place warning notices on their posting!

I.E. "The following is a party political broadcast on behalf of the XYZ party"

Try to get your thinking up a level.

Politicians right across the political spectrum are trying to screw us one way or another on this one, that's where the divisions begin!

A and B fighting for the benefit of C!

Where A and B equals us and C equals the politicians!

ACC welfare or private Insurance...These are the choices, either way we are screwed because we pay for it!!

ACC welfare in it's purest (Woodhouse) form is obviously the choice of the majority but if it gets abused and tinkered with until it costs us more than the alternative?

What are our choices? This constant wrangling between the two ideals is killing us! While they (the politicians) live comfortably, off the fat of the land!

We encourage it all by fighting with each other over the political crumbs they toss us!....Well, that's the way I see it anyway!

**chanceyy** · 13th December 2009, 07:34

Originally Posted by StoneY

Its been 382.67 for 11 months man...

Nats put it up back when they won the election......where you been hiding?

The NEXT increase goes on TOP of the 382.67

hmm more like 6 months I only paid 267 in June .. but interested in the 382 figure because it was like 311 in July, so was the 311 figure incorrect ?? or has it gone up again since then ??

Might have to check things out with Oscarnz she will know

**Pixie** · 13th December 2009, 07:47

I hate to,rudely,wake you guys up,but the only way you are going to get them to drop this course of action is if a large enough group of NZ'ers just refuse to register their vehicles.
All the "political action from inside the party",public disruption,"getting the public on our side",presenting the govt with alternative ways of operating ACC,is going to do fuck all to make them drop their dogma.
The only thing that will do that is if the system fails to work.
I'm doing my bit - no rego from me.

**MSTRS:Me** · 13th December 2009, 08:04

Originally Posted by drummer

.. one person even said that I wanted pubic onside... if she had read my post I actually said we don'r want them OFFSIDE..

If you'd been paying attention, you would have seen that the point is...we are too small a group to fight this effectively, it is an issue that affects every NZer and if we don't have Joe Public standing WITH US, everyone loses.

**mikeey01** · 13th December 2009, 09:12

Originally Posted by Pixie

if a large enough group of NZ'ers just refuse to register their vehicles.
The only thing that will do that is if the system fails to work.
I'm doing my bit - no rego from me.

Or offer to only pay the road user levy and stick the acc levy bit.
I'll be putting mine on hold too, if they want money, go and take it out of their own pockets first, they're always the last to do without.

Makes me sick seeing the pay rises they get, yet the rest of the country year on year has got SFA.

**mikeey01** · 13th December 2009, 09:15

Originally Posted by MSTRS

If you'd been paying attention, you would have seen that the point is...we are too small a group to fight this effectively, it is an issue that affects every NZer and if we don't have Joe Public standing WITH US, everyone loses.

If the levies slowly stopped coming in, how significant a part would that play?

**ajturbo** · 13th December 2009, 09:34

Originally Posted by oldrider

Posters on this subject will soon be required to place warning notices on their posting!

I.E. "The following is a party political broadcast on behalf of the XYZ party"

Try to get your thinking up a level.

Politicians right across the political spectrum are trying to screw us one way or another on this one, that's where the divisions begin!

A and B fighting for the benefit of C!

Where A and B equals us and C equals the politicians!

ACC welfare or private Insurance...These are the choices, either way we are screwed because we pay for it!!

ACC welfare in it's purest (Woodhouse) form is obviously the choice of the majority but if it gets abused and tinkered with until it costs us more than the alternative?

What are our choices? This constant wrangling between the two ideals is killing us! While they (the politicians) live comfortably, off the fat of the land!

We encourage it all by fighting with each other over the political crumbs they toss us!....Well, that's the way I see it anyway!

you oldrider!!

how dare you make it easy for us to understand..!!!!

but at the end of the day.. i'm going to do what "Pixie" is doing..

**wbks** · 13th December 2009, 09:37

Originally Posted by oldrider

Posters on this subject will soon be required to place warning notices on their posting!

I.E. "The following is a party political broadcast on behalf of the XYZ party"

Try to get your thinking up a level.

Politicians right across the political spectrum are trying to screw us one way or another on this one, that's where the divisions begin!

A and B fighting for the benefit of C!

Where A and B equals us and C equals the politicians!

ACC welfare or private Insurance...These are the choices, either way we are screwed because we pay for it!!

ACC welfare in it's purest (Woodhouse) form is obviously the choice of the majority but if it gets abused and tinkered with until it costs us more than the alternative?

What are our choices? This constant wrangling between the two ideals is killing us! While they (the politicians) live comfortably, off the fat of the land!

We encourage it all by fighting with each other over the political crumbs they toss us!....Well, that's the way I see it anyway!

That's it, I'm starting a communist state somewhere in the coromandel, and the coro loop is my sovereign territory