The firearm thread

[ManDownUnder]

I've dealt with the guy before and he's a bit slow to respond... and he never shipped anything out of the US for me so I don't know if it's achievable.

I have enough "life trivia" on my plate right now to do anything more but here's a link if anyone can be bothered trying. The prices seem pretty good.

http://www.bluestarbrass.com/catalog/decsale.htm

PM me if you get an order together. I'll happily share costs etc - just don't have the time to put something together

MDU Over and under

[jono035]

If the barrel length is legal then fair enough. There have been enough instances of people getting threatened with full length shotguns/hunting rifles that I would have thought people would take a slightly less alarmist view. If it's legal, leave the guy alone.

Assuming a legal barrel length, cutting down the barrel of a shotgun doesn't affect accuracy, it's the removal of the choke that does. Shorter barrel means less shot velocity which lowers your range further but this is a different consideration to accuracy.

There is not enough info in that question to make the judgements that have been made here. The situation could range between a professionally shortened barrel that has been re-bored for a choke and had the sights replaced to something that has been roughly hacksawed off at the end of the mag tube in a rough-as-guts way and hasn't had the sight replaced.

I'm disappointed at the reaction to be honest. We are a group of people most prone to being judged irrationally for our ownership of firearms. Perhaps we should not be jumping to conclusions, ourselves.

Edit: I've seen guys hunting in the bush up north with slug-loads in shotguns, I'm sticking to my theory that it could make a good pig gun. If it is a fixed choke shotgun then maybe shortening it slightly is the cheapest and easiest way to turn it into a cylinder bore shotgun for slug use.

[Mr Merde]

sAsLex From the site MDU just posted

100 500 1000

38-40 Winchester

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Fired

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$86.66

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From www.buffaloarms.com

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If you buy this lot and the powder, primers etc I'll castr and reload for you so that you can feed that lovely lever action of yours

[Maha]

Sawn off pump action.

I cant think of any practical use for such a firearm.

All I can think of would be to either boost the ego of the owner by having something perceived to be nasty looking or as the others have suggested, some illegal practice.

Thats not to say that all sawn off shotguns are bad. I have a side by side short barreled shotgun that I use in Cowboy Action Shooting. Its also pretty good at busting clays.

2 reasons I can think of
1) Concealment
2) Achieve a much more rapid spread of shot which would indicate an intention for shooting things at a very short distance

Possession would also suggest a high degree of premeditation because you can't just buy them anywhere therefore
1) The owner went to some lengths to source one
2) The owner cut down a shotgun to a shorter length for some reason - again, taking some efforts to do so and if reduced to less than 762mm in length they were intentionally rendering the firearm illegal

Take from that what you will - but to me it all suggests sneak up on someone and threaten them or shoot them.

I can think of no legal use for such a weapon, and if you know of one I would quietly tell the cops. "Kev and Trev" - the firearms officers at Auckland Central would be good start if you don't have any other option. 09) 302 6400

It's not going to be used on non human targets, they stay too far away so the longer barrel is desirable for accuracy, and I would be very surprised if they responded any differently to a short or long barrelled arm.

Thank you guys, I though as much, just needed the input from someone who knows about such things.

So I guess having one loaded inside your house with the safety off and someone else in the house, would be considered the worst case senario with one of this weapons?
All hypothetical naturally.

[jono035]

Thank you guys, I though as much, just needed the input from someone who knows about such things.

So I guess having one loaded inside your house with the safety off and someone else in the house, would be considered the worst case senario with one of this weapons?
All hypothetical naturally.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'having someone else in the house' and 'worst case scenario'

Having a firearm in that state in your house is illegal to begin with so if you're talking about how it would be perceived in court then you're on shaky ground to start with. It also would raise some pretty serious questions about what was causing the owner to be that paranoid.

Edit: In this case it's still the 'loaded firearm by the door' that is the primary concern but the fact that it was a sawn-off pump action shotgun would probably prejudice a judge or jury against the owner much more than a more 'standard' hunting rifle/shotgun would.

[Maha]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'having someone else in the house' and 'worst case scenario'

Having a firearm in that state in your house is illegal to begin with so if you're talking about how it would be perceived in court then you're on shaky ground to start with. It also would raise some pretty serious questions about what was causing the owner to be that paranoid.

Someone else in the house?....two or more people.
Worst case senario?.... could a senario get any worse with a weapon like that?

You have answered my question though jono.

[jono035]

Someone else in the house?....two or more people.
Worst case senario?.... could a senario get any worse with a weapon like that?

You have answered my question though jono.

No worries. Was just a little confused as to what the question was.

[The Pastor]

hes refering to his neighbour that got shot recently. Real sad story.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=114192

[Mr Merde]

On a different vein.

I've been busy this week.

Bought the following;

Universal decapping die,
Universal case flaring die,
Lee Ram Prime unit,
Universal powder through die,

and just ordered a gas check making set for the M1 round.

Picking up the Dillon press next week, along with more moulds reloading equipment etc.

Will pick up the extra shotgun reloader some time early next year.

Stocking up of reloading equipment before we move to the new house next year. Got the plans for a dedicated reloading bench (NMRA), will get the wood once we have moved and build a reloading area in the garage.

Once I've upgraded all my equipment I will concdentrate on building up a good supply of loaded cartridges for when I go to the range. I can shoot all day then and not worry.

[jono035]

Yeah, that paints the issue in a bit of a different light. That's a tragic story but it sounds like the guy was well short of 'fit and proper'.

Made up 30 full rounds for the .44 with some of the bullets that I cast yesterday and tumble lubed this morning. They were slightly undersize (calipers had them at .427/.428. They didn't seem to have quite the accuracy of the commercial rounds which so far I'm guessing is either due to the size or my inability to shoot straight.

I figure they are undersize due to alloy issues so a bit of playing around should get them to the correct size.

Ended up running today's session at the range due to the normal Range Officer disappearing for christmas. It didn't exactly go smoothly but I did get to help someone figure out how to use their brand-new 10/22 though. Saw another guy who had reloaded a round without powder and the primer had only just pushed the bullet out of the casing. The only reason he caught the fact that there was bullet lodged in the barrel was that the next round wouldn't chamber fully. Could have easily turned out a lot worse...

Edit: Chris - let me know when you get that gas check maker, I'd be pretty keen to have a look. Sounds like you're getting quite the setup.

[sAsLEX]

What would be the primary reason for owning a Sawn off pump action Shotgun?

For fucking with pirates!

Seriously!


We use very short shot guns with fold up stocks due to the close quarters that ships throw in your face, I only get a little wee pistol

Sawn off pump action.

I cant think of any practical use for such a firearm.

Heard of the term "Lupo" used to refer to some shotguns shortened by the mob ?








Chris: Just back from a Navy mid week get together.... lucky I can type let alone see! Will have a look at the info on the morrow.

[Drunken Monkey]

For fucking with pirates!

Seriously!

We use very short shot guns with fold up stocks due to the close quarters that ships throw in your face, I only get a little wee pistol

Indeed, I expect for practical purposes it comes down to either concealment (hide under your coat) or in less sinister circumstances because of a lack of room. Sawn offs were commonly carried by coach drivers.

[Mr Merde]

.. Sawn offs were commonly carried by coach drivers.

Hence my sawn off in the makers catalogue listed as a Coach Gun.

Fast to point. Shorter barrels dont get snagged on anything, wide spread of shot (unless like mine they are choked)

[Wolf]

in less sinister circumstances because of a lack of room.

Like within the confines of an office or computer lab when the fucking computer crashes and wipes out your work...

[jono035]

Or stomping through some northland bush. Shorter and lighter (providing it can still do the job as required) is a hell of a lot better in that case.