Who's next: Employers (Hospitality & Tourism)

[Marmoot]

In case noone heard the news, the employers (mainly hospitality and tourism operators) are now pissed off at ACC levy increases they have to foot, where general employers need to foot about 10% increase but hospitality and tourism (due to their "high risk") need to foot more than 70% increases.

To put it in perspective, Ski field operators are looking at over $300k in increases alone.

They are not happy.

Should've come out and supported us when we were making noise, eh?

[cold comfort]

For sure- i bet our "whos next" cries were dismissed by many as mere bleating by self indulgent bikers. Good to be able to say "i told you so" eh?

[Brian d marge]

Theyy really HAVE been told to cut the cloth, I mean WHY would any government risk pissing off such a large group , unless they can lose it in the pols?

and to be fair they are cutting the deficit ( or appearing to do )

even so ... I know they were told by the IMF to cut health care costs , ACC ! , but to expose themselves to this amount ,,, I thinks they are in doo doo ! or really are in bed with the IMF/World Bank ( thats scary as they are American,,,)

Whose next ,,,,Hmmmmm

Rugby players ,,,,,,if that happens ...leave. move to Auzstraya

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

For sure- i bet our "whos next" cries were dismissed by many as mere bleating by self indulgent bikers. Good to be able to say "i told you so" eh?

Some of us have been telling some of you for along time this was going to happen, Can I say I/We told you so ???? or should I/we wait a little longer ???

Stephen

[Conquiztador]

What I can not understand is that National is all for enterprise and business. And now they are giving the death sentence to many small businesses. Something just does not add up!

[speights_bud]

So rather than saying 'I told you so' should we not be getting together and meeting with the 'important people' of hospitality and tourism and start working together?

[Pegasus]

So rather than saying 'I told you so' should we not be getting together and meeting with the 'important people' of hospitality and tourism and start working together?

I guess that needs to be the next step. But past experience has shown that NZérs are sheep (GST, Employment Contracts Act, etc etc etc). How do we get people to stand up for once??? Or do we just form our own political group, and show them that way???

[Conquiztador]

I guess that needs to be the next step. But past experience has shown that NZérs are sheep (GST, Employment Contracts Act, etc etc etc). How do we get people to stand up for once??? Or do we just form our own political group, and show them that way???

My job tried to get people to meetings re their future/situation. But only a few would come. Then we put on a BBQ with free sausages, and we got heaps of ppl. Perhaps if we give them food they will follow us anywhere...

[cave weta]

Basic problem is that ACC cover overseas tourists here for all accidents. someone has to pay for it.

They have decided that adventure tourism - ME - Fuckit ! will pay for this.
Ive been operating for 4 years- no incedents- no claims. why cant they issue exesses for places like ski fields where they DO have claims and drop the fees for operators who have proved that they are safe operators by not having claims?

[swbarnett]

Why cant they issue exesses for places like ski fields where they DO have claims and drop the fees for operators who have proved that they are safe operators by not having claims?

Because this goes against the whole point of the ACC scheme. The entire population of NZ funds the claims of the unlucky (or reckless, it doesn't matter which) in order to maintain the freedom that we enjoy to partake in whatever we see fit, no matter how risky.

To have higher levies for those that are at a higher risk of claiming will eventually lead to everyone just paying for their own accidents.

[saxet]

Perhaps it's a way to piss people off sooo much with ACC that there will be no opposition or even positive support for scrapping of ACC.
An awful lot of people who are eligible for ACC do not cover them selves via ACC levies at present so it would appear that ACC is seen as too hard to manage and not something any government should be involved in. I get the feeling that those( who ever THEY are) people advising governments think it should all come down to private insurance which seems to work in other counties as long as youré not like myself with exisitng medical prolems and can't get medical insurance.

[speights_bud]

i agree that as Nzer's most of us have been to lazy to make a stand against poor decisions by our governments, i don't know how to get people off their arses to join the campaign but i do think that it needs to begin with the leaders of the affected areas.

just like how we have used BRONZ to get a voice out there and make them notice, i think that to get the public on our side first the leaders of the recreations/industry's they are involved in need to show their support, and for them to do this we need to made sure they are getting the correct information.

i believe bunch of bikers turning up at parliment to put our foot down is a great start. Now, like BRONZ are working on we need to start pushing the paper under their noses and taking more action in this manner, they know we are here and they know we'll come back, but maybe a little less happy to do what we are told this time.

[MSTRS:Me]

To have higher levies for those that are at a higher risk of claiming will eventually lead to everyone just paying for their own accidents.

Um...you are being deliberately ironic. Aren't you?

... private insurance which seems to work in other counties ....

Does it, really? Endless court litigation to settle claims that insurers don't want to pay out on says otherwise. Which was the whole reason that Woodhouse was tasked with fixing in NZ prior to ACC becoming reality.

[gwigs]

Put a levy on all the tourists as they arrive,if they stay for 2 weeks they pay for 2 weeks cover.We shouldn,t be paying for them,we would,nt be covered in their countries.

[Marmoot]

Put a levy on all the tourists as they arrive,if they stay for 2 weeks they pay for 2 weeks cover.We shouldn,t be paying for them,we would,nt be covered in their countries.

This kind of thinking is the one destroying our economy. For example, a guy in parliament once said we don't want foreign students. They left yea, great. Then the accommodation industry collapsed, car sales went down, tourism declined because their parents stopped coming, and lots of people got made redundant. It's a bit like cleaning your shop floor by shooing your shoppers, methinks.

Surely there must be a better way.

Besides, they stay for 2 weeks then they bugger off. There's no income compensation etc that costs a lot. Unlike our resident accidenters....

Anyway, I bet the "Who's Next" are the boaties. Watch this space.