Fail: Sea Shepherd

[Skyryder]

The Jap boat was under attack by the sea shepherd deliberatly trailing ropes trying to entangle the ships propeller gear.. left to drift in the southern ocean is not a desireable situation to be in. Self defence anyone?

The jap boat is supposed to turn to stbd to pass behind the stand on vessel the sea shepherd.....and the sea shepherd to to maintain a constant speed and constant heading to let the give way vessel decide and take avoidence action.

And what marime law autherises the use of water cannon to effect a manouvre??


Skyryder

[Tank]

And what marime law autherises the use of water cannon to effect a manouvre??


Skyryder

1979
Paul Watson decided to hunt the Sierra down and put an end to her career. In June of 1979, he departed from Boston, Massachusetts, to do just that.

On July 16th, 1979, the Sea Shepherd found the Sierra and chased it into the port of Leixoes. Captain Watson rammed the Sierra twice in harbor, tearing the hull open to the waterline and forcing the ship into port for repairs. After a million dollars of uninsured repairs, the Sierra was sunk by Sea Shepherd operatives in Lisbon harbor in Portugal on February 6, 1980

I guess you celebrate the French bombing the Rainbow Warrior as well huh? Supporting a group that goes into a country and bombs boats.

Oh the sourse for this one is their own website.

[JimO]

the water cannon was just icing on the cake

[Skyryder]

Not ashamed at all. Google yourself and you will find many pages about them being charged for their acts.

The arrest warrents that are out for members are not debatable however and if you search you will find a lot of the info posted is agreed with by the SS arseholes.

So if they agree with the comments and quotes who gives a fuck where it came from - the fact remains its accurate.

Nope I'll take your word for it. But that still does not give The Jap Master the right to take the law into his own hands. And that is what has happened here. The Jap boat with water cannon at full blast to hide their intentions deliberatly rammed another vessel on the high sea.

That in my book is attempted murder. Do the same thing to a pedeatrian or a cage to biker and that's the charge, provocation thanks to Key and his cronies against legal advice is now no longer a defence. This is a NZ registered vessel and as such comes under NZ jurisdiction.

Skyryder

[davereid]

The Jap boat was under attack by the sea shepherd deliberatly trailing ropes trying to entangle the ships propeller gear.. left to drift in the southern ocean is not a desireable situation to be in. Self defence anyone?

The jap boat is supposed to turn to stbd to pass behind the stand on vessel the sea shepherd.....and the sea shepherd to to maintain a constant speed and constant heading to let the give way vessel decide and take avoidence action.

I agree pretty much.

Although the Jap boat was not obliged to turn to Starboard, it can also turn to Port if the Captain determines that has the better chance of collision avoidance.

When I look at the video, I can't hand-on-heart say I can be sure the Jap Ship tried to do anything - possibly it turned to starboard, but then got knocked to port by the collision.

The Ady Gil is also obligated to yield to vessels constrained by draught or restricted in their ability to maneuver, both of which could be argured to be the case when a 50-knot 10 tonne vessel is steaming in open water towards a 500 tonne 7 knot vessel.

[R6_kid:Me]

In the video that Mikkel posted it almost looks like the Shonan Maru is trying to turn behind the Ady Gil before realising that they can't make the turn in time and then changing course back to avoid a more serious collision. At the end of the day it's a stupid idea to be in a 'small' boat harassing a large and not overly maneuverable ship and then crossing their path at low speed. Politics and rules aside, the crew of the Ady Gil have chosen to deliberately put themselves at risk so they don't really have much to stand on when the shit hits the fan.

Can you imagine being the captain of one of the Japanese whaling boats and having to put up with their shenanigans and bullshit all the time? How long would you let the kid next door throw stones at your house before you go over and teach him a lesson?

[davereid]

And what marime law autherises the use of water cannon to effect a manouvre?? Skyryder

The same one that allows lasers, trailing lines, sonic blasters I should imagine !

[Tank]

The same one that allows lasers, trailing lines, sonic blasters I should imagine !

Which is a fair point - they committed illegal acts trying to disable a ship at sea in the first instance. Fuckers got what they deserved. Glad the boat sunk and I hope Key and co stand up and ban the fuckers from coming to NZ ports.

[Skyryder]

1979
Paul Watson decided to hunt the Sierra down and put an end to her career. In June of 1979, he departed from Boston, Massachusetts, to do just that.

On July 16th, 1979, the Sea Shepherd found the Sierra and chased it into the port of Leixoes. Captain Watson rammed the Sierra twice in harbor, tearing the hull open to the waterline and forcing the ship into port for repairs. After a million dollars of uninsured repairs, the Sierra was sunk by Sea Shepherd operatives in Lisbon harbor in Portugal on February 6, 1980

I guess you celebrate the French bombing the Rainbow Warrior as well huh? Supporting a group that goes into a country and bombs boats.

Oh the sourse for this one is their own website.

Don’t see any law here authorizing the use of water cannon. An in defence of the Japs you still bring up an act that is equally wrong.

As for my alleged celebration of the French bombing you really do have to stoop to the low blows.

When the French were putting pressure on Lange to release the bombers to Hao, a French military base it was Bolger and your National party who supported this.

Prier and Marfat were given sentences of 10 and seven years to be served concurrently. Prier and Marfat served two years on Hao and then the French released them and gave them medals to boot. And you have the gall to suggest that I have given them support. Look to your own party for that.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Which is a fair point - they committed illegal acts trying to disable a ship at sea in the first instance. Fuckers got what they deserved. Glad the boat sunk and I hope Key and co stand up and ban the fuckers from coming to NZ ports.

They can't. It's a NZ registered vessel.


Skyryder

[Ixion]

They can't. It's a NZ registered vessel.


Skyryder

Um, given that it's at the bottom of the sea now (I understand, correction welcome), coming into ANY port might be a TAD challenging.

[Skyryder]

Um, given that it's at the bottom of the sea now (I understand, correction welcome), coming into ANY port might be a TAD challenging.

I thought it was under tow. Mind you I have not read all posts on here so it has sunk?? There will be court shit over this one way or the other.





Skyyrder

[Ixion]

I thought it had. But I've not been following the drama closely. I may be wrong.

[Mikkel]

possibly it turned to starboard, but then got knocked to port by the collision.

Let's get this silly notion of the Shonan Maru 2 being deflected by the Ady Gil dispelled - it is an affront to reason.

The Ady Gil weighed 13 tons, the Shonan Maru 2 has a rated tonnage of 491 DWT.

Anyone who, considering these figures, still entertain the idea of the collision deflecting the Japanese vessel is beyond reason.

In the video that Mikkel posted it almost looks like the Shonan Maru is trying to turn behind the Ady Gil before realising that they can't make the turn in time and then changing course back to avoid a more serious collision. At the end of the day it's a stupid idea to be in a 'small' boat harassing a large and not overly maneuverable ship and then crossing their path at low speed. Politics and rules aside, the crew of the Ady Gil have chosen to deliberately put themselves at risk so they don't really have much to stand on when the shit hits the fan.

Indeed. I would really wish that there was a longer version of the video taken from the 3rd vessel. For all we know the Ady Gil could have been doing 40 knots up until just before the video was taken. In that case the Japanese helm's decision to go hard to starboard would have been the appropriate way to avoid a collision. A larger vessel like the Shonan Maru 2 does not just stop and turn in a jiffy. And the obscuring effect of the watercannons go both ways - besides the two vessels shouldn't even have been that close to each other in the first place.

I know, that is not the story that SS are putting forward and it's not the story being showed by the video. However, you can decide how much credibility you'll give the SS and their video only show the bits that they want to show.

[LBD]

Don’t see any law here authorizing the use of water cannon.
Skyryder

Do not mistake me ...I am very anti whaling....

At 100 m at a guess a water cannon would wee a rain shower...Getting under the bow of the jap ship is deliberate provication irrespective of maritime law. The Andy Gil was deliberatly trying disrupt a lawful passage....(not a legality of whaling statement)....Self defence again.

You would not begrudge a ships captain using a water cannon to repel Somali Pirates.... see little difference