Fail: Sea Shepherd

[Skyryder]

Do not mistake me ...I am very anti whaling....

At 100 m at a guess a water cannon would wee a rain shower...Getting under the bow of the jap ship is deliberate provication irrespective of maritime law. The Andy Gil was deliberatly trying disrupt a lawful passage....(not a legality of whaling statement)....Self defence again.

You would not begrudge a ships captain using a water cannon to repel Somali Pirates.... see little difference

Didn't look much like a we rain shower to me. More like a fog with mist etc. Reguadless of the actions of Sea Shephard, and many on here see this as a justifiable provication for the ramming the master of the whaler had no right to deliberalty ram another vessel.

As for the Somali analogy, in this instance, as there was no boarding in progress the analogy is not relevent.

Skyryder

[davereid]

Let's get this silly notion of the Shonan Maru 2 being deflected by the Ady Gil dispelled - it is an affront to reason. The Ady Gil weighed 13 tons, the Shonan Maru 2 has a rated tonnage of 491 DWT.
Anyone who, considering these figures, still entertain the idea of the collision deflecting the Japanese vessel is beyond reason..

Haha my 8 year old grandaughter can easily push my 48ft boat off the jetty. In fact, she can do it with one hand, and often does when grandad is trying to board.

Its not like a 13g pool ball deflecting a 500g pool ball.

Merely changing the angle of approach into a wave - or the wake of another much smaller boat will substantially cause a boat to move.

[sidecar bob]

That in my book is attempted murder. Do the same thing to a pedeatrian or a cage to biker and that's the charge, provocation thanks to Key and his cronies against legal advice is now no longer a defence. This is a NZ registered vessel and as such comes under NZ jurisdiction.

Skyryder

Id never do it to a Pedeatrian. We need them to keep our children healthy!!

[Ronin]

Let's get this silly notion of the Shonan Maru 2 being deflected by the Ady Gil dispelled - it is an affront to reason.

The Ady Gil weighed 13 tons, the Shonan Maru 2 has a rated tonnage of 491 DWT.

Anyone who, considering these figures, still entertain the idea of the collision deflecting the Japanese vessel is beyond reason.

The impact, even on the larger vessel is substantial. The video from the 3rd vessel clearly shows the bow of the Shonan Maru being deflected to port by the impact. The Ady Gill was moving at what I would guess was about 5 to 10 knots. The impact is lateral to the direction of travel and would easily cause the observed deflection. There is no way that the helmsman of the Shonan Maru could go from slightly to starboard to hard a'port in the time the video shows.

[FJRider]

Legalitys or not ... You should not park a (small) vessel in front of a (moving) BIG vessel ...

[PrincessBandit]

I thought it was under tow. Mind you I have not read all posts on here so it has sunk?? There will be court shit over this one way or the other.

Skyyrder

According to the intermanet it sunk while under tow.

[SixPackBack]

Arguements of whale numbers aside, why get pissy 'cause the Japanese like whale meat?

[Hinny]

The impact, even on the larger vessel is substantial. The video from the 3rd vessel clearly shows the bow of the Shonan Maru being deflected to port by the impact. The Ady Gill was moving at what I would guess was about 5 to 10 knots. The impact is lateral to the direction of travel and would easily cause the observed deflection. There is no way that the helmsman of the Shonan Maru could go from slightly to starboard to hard a'port in the time the video shows.

I suggest you watch the video again.
At the start the Shonan Maru is not on a collision course. A substantial amount of the starboard side is visible. Ady Gil is dead in the water. Separation is the range limit of the water cannon. All sweet at this point.

At 0.07 there is a considerable turn to starboard. The boat heels substantially. This elicits the "Fuck" comment as the intention of this manoeuvre is apparent. The manoeuvreability of the Shonan Maru is impressive.
Four seconds later she is heeling to Starboard.
Two seconds later Ady Gil is crossing her bow.
At 0.17 the collision occurs.

The Ady Gil did not run into the side of Shonan Maru. There is a video showing what happened.

The heeling of the Shonan Maru is not simple rock and rolling as evidenced by the other video footage when she was on a straight course. The sea had little effect upon her.

One posted video shows a synchronised rendition of the videos from both protagonists.
This is illuminating to those with open minds, I would suggest.
I might make the observation, at this point, there are not a lot of posters to this thread that could be accorded that accolade.
Some learned observers might describe the majority as a bunch of fucktards and I would have to agree with them.

[tri boy]

Fookin whales swim round in OUR oceans, eating OUR plankton,singing their god awful songs, and generally acting like the fat lazy coonts they are, and yet the Greenies whine n moan about a few hundred getting harpooned by a explosive, and bleeding a bit.
Ask yourselfs "what has a whale done for me lately?"
Order me 1/2 kilo of whale meat, served on mashed greenie:-)

[Ronin]

I suggest you watch the video again.
At the start the Shonan Maru is not on a collision course. A substantial amount of the starboard side is visible. Ady Gil is dead in the water. Separation is the range limit of the water cannon. All sweet at this point.

At 0.07 there is a considerable turn to starboard. The boat heels substantially. This elicits the "Fuck" comment as the intention of this manoeuvre is apparent. The manoeuvreability of the Shonan Maru is impressive.
Four seconds later she is heeling to Starboard.
Two seconds later Ady Gil is crossing her bow.
At 0.17 the collision occurs.

The Ady Gil did not run into the side of Shonan Maru. There is a video showing what happened.

EDIT: It would appear that there is not as much of a deflection as I thought but it is there.

The heeling of the Shonan Maru is not simple rock and rolling as evidenced by the other video footage when she was on a straight course. The sea had little effect upon her.

One posted video shows a synchronised rendition of the videos from both protagonists.
This is illuminating to those with open minds, I would suggest.
I might make the observation, at this point, there are not a lot of posters to this thread that could be accorded that accolade.
Some learned observers might describe the majority as a bunch of fucktards and I would have to agree with them.

Perhaps you could re read my post. It seems that you think I am suggesting that the seafairing whale hippies rammed the shonan maru on purpose. Far from it. The Maru went out of her way to hit said sea fairing whale hippies. However the Ady Gil did throttle up at the last moment. I believe they did this to avoid the collision. So yes they did drive into the side of the maru. They were fucked anyway.

My post was pointing out that yes there was a deflection.

[mstriumph]

*sigh* last time we had to nuke them to divert their attention and make them cease and desist ...

[mstriumph]

... now THAT could be fun?

[terbang]

Holy shit, never though I'd see myself agreeing with ya Lias. But I am.
I'm an ex maritime patrol pilot and have seen those bloody Japs ad others raping and pillaging NZ and Australian resources with impudence and relatively unchecked. I have flown flights in the Southern ocean and seen the activities for myself. Its definitely not right. Send em to the bottom...

Generally speaking my politics are diametrically opposed to the sort of people you'd expect to see crewing a sea sheppard boat, but honestly we need to send the navy out and fucking sink those whalers.

I hand on heart want John Key and Kevin Rudd to send in the frigates and sink the jap whalers, with all hands on boards, and no warning shots fired.

It's not that I'm all that attached to whales, but I have major issues with the japanese fleets coming down to OUR part of the world to steal natural resources. If they want to go whaling, let them do it in their waters, not ours.

[McJim]

*sigh* last time we had to nuke them to divert their attention and make them cease and desist ...

I agree - we should Nuke Sea Shepherd - hear hear!

They are doing it for reality TV - after that taboo we will be watching American, British and New Zealand troops being killed by Al Quaeda I expect.

Much of New Zealand's history is based on whaling - why have we now become so socially conditioned against it? The are mammals - yet so are pigs, sheep and cattle. They are near the top of their food chain in the ocean yet so are sharks, squid and tuna. I cannot see the harm with quota based, controlled harvesting.

Did you hear Wank Stain Watson declaring he had never killed anyone? He has threatened to and attempted to on many occasions - why he should choose to suddenly flaunt his failures is beyond me.

[terbang]

Of course I forgot, we farm whales and manage them as a sustainable resource. Stupid greenies.
Until you've been over the horizon as only a few of us actually do, until you seen the "wall of death" pair trawlers, seen the illegal fishing in our waters and seen the slaughtering of whales right under out noses, your grasp on the reality of the Japanese fishing industry can only be scant. And yet you talk about nuking those that, for what ever reason got out there and saw for themselves and oppose it...

I agree - we should Nuke Sea Shepherd - hear hear!

They are doing it for reality TV - after that taboo we will be watching American, British and New Zealand troops being killed by Al Quaeda I expect.

Much of New Zealand's history is based on whaling - why have we now become so socially conditioned against it? The are mammals - yet so are pigs, sheep and cattle. They are near the top of their food chain in the ocean yet so are sharks, squid and tuna. I cannot see the harm with quota based, controlled harvesting.

Did you hear Wank Stain Watson declaring he had never killed anyone? He has threatened to and attempted to on many occasions - why he should choose to suddenly flaunt his failures is beyond me.