Hone Harawira says...

[Tank]

Remember too Maori elders from Ngapuhi preached about Maui pulling up a fish that came to be New Zealand. Now are you going to beleive that? - doudt it.

And to think we take their word for anything after that.

[peasea]

Really?

You mean the journals of English solliders hiding at the bottom of hills geting charged by thousands of warriors with no fear, eyes rolled back like demons, taking multiple shots to the body but still running, spears against muskets and they still won battles against the English.
Young english recruits crying because they are scared, shaking hearing the mens feet charge down the hill, hearing the screams of the women calling the demons for strength, warriors haka heard for miles.

Yeh im sure the English really did well with the muskets, but oh wait they were stupid enough to trade with the Maori later on also, now that I could go on a whole nother description. Like Maori's hiding in underground thrush with Muskets at the ready, Maori in tree's unseen by thousands of soliders crossing through, the patter of warroiors stalk them but they cant find them.

Log off Tank, I recall you saying Im boring to bait, just log off.

I have to say that reading your posts is hard work at times. Your spelling and diction are atrocious.

Regardless of what went on in Maori/European battles/wars the fact remains that there is much evidence to prove that Maori were not the first to settle these shores. This is not racism, this is a search for truth and when evidence of pre-Maori settlement is wilfully destroyed or covered up by Iwi then I would suggest that it is Maori who are racist, racist bullies with a very large, hidden and all-encompassing agenda. eLocal published a very insightful article a while back that was based on evidence not hearsay entitled "An Unpalatable Truth". You should read it.

[Dave Lobster]

This is a touchy subject in the sense that it is barraged my mystery and conspircay, no one can really confirm what went down.

Only touchy to people that have a vested interest in it being kept a secret.

[peasea]

And to think we take their word for anything after that.

Exactly. Legend is just that, legend. True history made up of hard evidence, hard evidence the grievance industry would rather you didn't see and they go to great lengths to either destroy it or cover it up.

[wbks]

So dont be so hypocritical.

Dean, you just contradicted yourself in the same post so many times it's hard to take anything you just said seriously.

Ownage anyone?

Self inflicted embarrasment, maybe

You gotta admit that the modern Maori pa is somewhat better constructed these days ay?


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blah blah i dont believe "rumors" of anyone in NZ before the Maori but I do believe any story told about the cowardace of white people because they are lesser than us maoris and steal everyones land but im not racist because its history.

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[Dean]

Have people like Hone ever thanked the European settlers for modern things such as shoes, written language, nails, alcohol, houses, clothes, KFC, TAB, motorcycles etc.....?

I don't think I've heard a single maori say thank you for the modern convenience the sttlers introduced.

Have Europeans thanked Maori for attaining most of New Zealand under the crown?
Have Europeans ever thanked us for taking historic pa's and sites and items as findings for the museam or selling it to big companies for big time money?

Have you guys once complained about how you have to pay taxes for Maori who dont do anything no job etc? - Yet when a seperate financial funding idea takes place you say its very bad, that its very bad that Maori working class citizens will have to work twice as hard to pay for Maori on the seperate benifet - since when did you guys care? Or are you looking for the old excuse to blaim Maori for all the crime and troubles in New Zealand.

[peasea]

Only touchy to people that have a vested interest in it being kept a secret.

Again; exactly. Covering up and destroying evidence is hardly the work of open-minded, honest folk is it? This from an article entitled "An Unpalatable Truth":

Some burials were in stone hewn coffins, such as a number observed in different locations around the Wanganui River region. (see photo Turehu coffins)
Those found in burial caves often had red hair or other light brown and blond hues. Samples of their braided hair, taken from the Waitakere rock shelters, used to be on display at Auckland War Memorial Museum and were the subject of written commentary by Maori anthropologist, Sir Peter Buck. Our earliest maritime explorers frequently saw the, red headed, freckle-faced Maori or "waka blondes" and large pockets of them survived well into the 20th century as people who had never mixed their blood with colonial era European settlers. These days, when ancient, pre-colonial European Caucasoid skeletons are located, they are handed over to the local iwi and no scientific investigation is permitted.
An example of this happened in1995 on a Manutahi farm in Taranaki. The remains of 12 skeletons in a formal pre-European burial ground were unearthed by contractors doing earthworks. The bones were removed and reinterred, reluctantly, at Manutahi Marae where elders said they should have been left where they were. Michael Taylor, a private archaeologist from Wanganui, was called in by the NZ Historic Places Trust to assess the discovery. He said the burial site "definitely pre-dates European settlement due to the style of burial, state of the bones and the presence of what may have been woven flax. Something like this is a significant discovery because it is an unrecorded formal burial site. I’ve been in archaeology for over 20 years and this is the first time I have seen anything like this."
Since the find, more evidence has filtered through. This tells us that the bones of each skeleton unearthed were in woven bags, but the material was not flax; The burial site was a formally organised location, totally unknown to the local iwi by their own admission. It’s evident that they had no history of burials at this location and in this unique manner; The final burial had occurred in swamp or bog land and was similar to the bog burials of Britain. No photography or forensic analysis of the well preserved skeletal remains and accompanying materials to determine their age, ethnicity or physical anthropology was permitted.

[Tank]

Have Europeans thanked Maori for attaining most of New Zealand under the crown?

For my nice piece of coastal land - I thank you.

Have you guys once complained about how you have to pay taxes for Maori who dont do anything no job etc?

Yep - many of us do.

- Yet when a seperate financial funding idea takes place you say its very bad, that its very bad that Maori working class citizens will have to work twice as hard to pay for Maori on the seperate benifet

I know your maths is shit - so let me help. 3% Maori with low paying jobs is not going to fund 97% of maori without jobs. You have to have money coming in before you can give it out.

- since when did you guys care? Or are you looking for the old excuse to blaim Maori for all the crime and troubles in New Zealand.

I care because it impacts us all. Prision stats have a large %age of the prision population as maori - so thats a fact that they are a big part of all crime in NZ.

[Tank]

I care because it impacts us all. Prision stats have a large %age of the prision population as maori - so thats a fact that they are a big part of all crime in NZ.

Just to clarify the above (which was inaccurate) - after a quick gooooogle.

Maori make up 10% of the population but 48% of the prision population - so assiging some blame to them regarding crime is far as they are statistically far more likley to be naughty and go to jail.

[peasea]

There is no proof of the numbers of Settlers, and at what time they arrived in New Zealand. There is only SPECULATION.

Just as there is no proof of numbers of Maori who arrived at any particular (suggested) time. As was posted earlier, check out Ptolemy's map of the world as depicted on this website

http://www.zealand.org.nz/history.htm

Or are you too myopic, bigoted and narrow-minded to even dwell on the possibility someone beat the Maori to it?

[Dean]

For my nice piece of coastal land - I thank you.



Yep - many of us do.



I know your maths is shit - so let me help. 3% Maori with low paying jobs is not going to fund 97% of maori without jobs. You have to have money coming in before you can give it out.



I care because it impacts us all. Prision stats have a large %age of the prision population as maori - so thats a fact that they are a big part of all crime in NZ.

Many of you do - Bullshit. Got another three million or so thankyou's to go.

You do know Maori that do own vast lands and beaches do share it with "europeans", my best friend stayed with a Maori family his father and their father was freinds with in highschool. They got to treat themsevles to whatever they wanted got to use the atv's, went on their horses, got to fire guns on the land, I probably shouldnt share to much but I will say their may or may not of been many many amounts of crayfish they accumulated.

I would like to see statistics showing only three percent of Maori with low paying jobs and ninty seven percent of un-employed Maori's.

Polynesians are a big part of crime in New Zealand, Europeans are a big part of crime in New Zealand, Asians are the biggest part of crime in New Zealand with illegal Immigration and drug trades sending drugs in asian prescription panadol type packets millions of them into Auckland every year. Creating billions selling them to customers.

[wbks]

Many of you do - Bullshit. Got another three million or so thankyou's to go.wut

You do know Maori that do own vast lands and beaches do share it with "europeans", my best friend stayed with a Maori family his father and their father was freinds with in highschool. They got to treat themsevles to whatever they wanted got to use the atv's, went on their horses, got to fire guns on the land, I probably shouldnt share to much but I will say their may or may not of been many many amounts of crayfish they accumulated.was ther a point to this

I would like to see statistics showing only three percent of Maori with low paying jobs and ninty seven percent of un-employed Maori's.

Polynesians are a big part of crime in New Zealand, Europeans are a big part of crime in New Zealand, Asians are the biggest part of crime in New Zealand with illegal Immigration and drug trades sending drugs in asian prescription panadol type packets millions of them into Auckland every year. Creating billions selling them to customers.

I don't get why you are so determined to blame everything on everyone besides Maori. It's like you don't realise you aren't a Maori settler circa 1800, you're a kiwi dude who has mixed ethnicity. Saying "you" meaning white people is funny, because you're one, too

[Tank]

Many of you do - Bullshit. Got another three million or so thankyou's to go.

Never gonna happen sunshine.

I probably shouldnt share to much but I will say their may or may not of been many many amounts of crayfish they accumulated.

Kind of says it all really.

I would like to see statistics showing only three percent of Maori with low paying jobs and ninty seven percent of un-employed Maori's.

Simple to work out really. Go to a top professional place and count the maori - then go to WINZ and count again.

Asians are the biggest part of crime in New Zealand

Prision stats seem not to agree with you.

[peasea]

Many of you do - Bullshit. Got another three million or so thankyou's to go.

You do know Maori that do own vast lands and beaches do share it with "europeans", my best friend stayed with a Maori family his father and their father was freinds with in highschool. They got to treat themsevles to whatever they wanted got to use the atv's, went on their horses, got to fire guns on the land, I probably shouldnt share to much but I will say their may or may not of been many many amounts of crayfish they accumulated.

I would like to see statistics showing only three percent of Maori with low paying jobs and ninty seven percent of un-employed Maori's.

Polynesians are a big part of crime in New Zealand, Europeans are a big part of crime in New Zealand, Asians are the biggest part of crime in New Zealand with illegal Immigration and drug trades sending drugs in asian prescription panadol type packets millions of them into Auckland every year. Creating billions selling them to customers.

Careful what you say about Asians, you'll get a telling off from the mod's. No matter how true it is.

[Dean]

I don't get why you are so determined to blame everything on everyone besides Maori. It's like you don't realise you aren't a Maori settler circa 1800, you're a kiwi dude who has mixed ethnicity. Saying "you" meaning white people is funny, because you're one, too

Mum actually told me im quarter Maori, because I found out my Dad (who carries Maori) is only half so Im a third now. I always thought I was a halfcast, still goes to show Im mostly european but I am on the Maori side not for alterior motives just for justice on their par.

Its true though it is common in NZ to blaim everything on the Maori, whether statistics show its general, its still a stereotype. I know some really hard working Maori who dont get acknolwedged because euopeans tell Maori no matter what they arent going to succed in life its true various users have told me the same thing "well you're Maori you wont get anywhere in life".