Prince William

[Elysium]

Well he's here at last and not surprisingly this brings up the debate about becomming a republc.

Now I aint a full on Royal fan but I don't mind the way the system is now. I'm not an expert in politics but I can't quite figure out how becomming another republic in the world benifits us in terms of trade, money etc...

Now I have a lot of respect for the guy, I mean he put his arse on the line in Iraq unlike the coward politicians who started the war and sat at home wasting tax payers money on things like porn, a moat, furniture for their posh houses. Can't say our own polticians behave any better.

But of course this is my opinion on the matter. What do you guys think?

[Fatt Max]

At the end of the day, Willy is a brit abroad at the expense of the British taxpayer (gawd bless 'em).

As long as he scores some coke, gets a good hard root off a heap of clean hookers, shoots some animals, smokes some weed and and gets a good hard root off a heap of clean hookers, he will be as happy as a pisshead in a curry house.

My opinion, fuck the lot of them. As a pommie myslef, I couldnt give two shits about the monarchy and all their hangers on. IMHO they are a bunch of over privaledged cunts, but that is MOI.

As for this Kate Middleton bird old Willy is throwing his willy into, I wouldnt touch ot with Carvers.......though I do have it on VERY good authority that she talkes it up the rusty.......see, money and position doesnt stop you from being an arse fucker........

The Queen is cunt as well.......imagine marrying a fucking Greek, they invented it....no wonder she always has her handbag with her, full of pile relief cream I'll wager....

[Skyryder]

Republic. Just another name for an 'Upper House.' Gonna cost heaps and for what??


Skyryder

[Pussy]

At the end of the day, Willy is a brit abroad at the expense of the British taxpayer (gawd bless 'em).

As long as he scores some coke, gets a good hard root off a heap of clean hookers, shoots some animals, smokes some weed and and gets a good hard root off a heap of clean hookers, he will be as happy as a pisshead in a curry house.

My opinion, fuck the lot of them. As a pommie myslef, I couldnt give two shits about the monarchy and all their hangers on. IMHO they are a bunch of over privaledged cunts, but that is MOI.

As for this Kate Middleton bird old Willy is throwing his willy into, I wouldnt touch ot with Carvers.......though I do have it on VERY good authority that she talkes it up the rusty.......see, money and position doesnt stop you from being an arse fucker........

The Queen is cunt as well.......imagine marrying a fucking Greek, they invented it....no wonder she always has her handbag with her, full of pile relief cream I'll wager....

But I'd like to know what you REALLY think of them!.....

[Trudes]

I don't know, but I'm going to go and see if I can lick Wills hand tomorrow.

[wbks]

Well he's here at last and not surprisingly this brings up the debate about becomming a republc.

Now I aint a full on Royal fan but I don't mind the way the system is now. I'm not an expert in politics but I can't quite figure out how becomming another republic in the world benifits us in terms of trade, money etc...

Now I have a lot of respect for the guy, I mean he put his arse on the line in Iraq unlike the coward politicians who started the war and sat at home wasting tax payers money on things like porn, a moat, furniture for their posh houses. Can't say our own polticians behave any better.

But of course this is my opinion on the matter. What do you guys think?

I think that it will be a lot of work and money and time for something that is ultimately a symbolic gesture to replace a symbolic figurehead. We gain absolutely nothing from it and risk actually creating turmoil in NZ by making a constitution that creates more problems than it solves... And I don't see how it would solve any problems, actually. The only people who would be any better off from it are the stupid, overly idealistic republicans who can sleep a little better being "proud, independent kiwis". Like someone on here said about another subject, "look at the proud little kiwi fluffing up its feathers". They're under an illusion if they think that becoming a republic would make us any less bound to work with/for the British/US, which according to a republican party supporter/member, is what they think they avoid by ceasing to swear "allegiance to the queen". Basically, it's a cosmetic deal which risks causing real problems, while solving none

[Foxzee]

I don't know, but I'm going to go and see if I can lick Wills hand tomorrow.

LOL....let me know what he tastes like eh????

[wbks]

Isn't Carver close to the Libertarian party some how? Where is he? I assume they are pro republic?

[Skyryder]

I think that it will be a lot of work and money and time for something that is ultimately a symbolic gesture to replace a symbolic figurehead. We gain absolutely nothing from it and risk actually creating turmoil in NZ by making a constitution that creates more problems than it solves... And I don't see how it would solve any problems, actually. The only people who would be any better off from it are the stupid, overly idealistic republicans who can sleep a little better being "proud, independent kiwis". Like someone on here said about another subject, "look at the proud little kiwi fluffing up its feathers". They're under an illusion if they think that becoming a republic would make us any less bound to work with/for the British/US, which according to a republican party supporter/member, is what they think they avoid by ceasing to swear "allegiance to the queen". Basically, it's a cosmetic deal which risks causing real problems

Keith Lock.............. the ultimate MP protester is for it. That makes it dodgy on it's own.

The republican thing is tied up with an Upper House to replace the powers of the Crown. No ones mentions this due to the cost. Another name is a retirement home for MP's where they can sit on their arses in the belief that that are still serving thie country feeding from even a bigger trough than the one they have just left.


Skyryder

[wbks]

Keith Lock.............. the ultimate MP protester is for it. That makes it dodgy on it's own.

The republican thing is tied up with an Upper House to replace the powers of the Crown. No ones mentions this due to the cost. Another name is a retirement home for MP's where they can sit on their arses in the belief that that are still serving thie country feeding from even a bigger trough than the one they have just left.


Skyryder

My main concern is the creation of another governing document that we are supposed to live our lives by for the next couple hundred years. How many people in NZ politics would you trust to have such a responsibility? But yes, people who think that replacing the monarchy would leave an empty void are somewhat like the communist party members in NZ over the years who think that (contrary to countless real world examples) communism creates a better standard of life for its people and is more "morally conscious". To be honest, if there was more mainstream, 6pm news kind of promotion of republicanism in NZ, most people in NZ would vote for the ideals of it, putting little thought into the realities. Of course, they'd all turn backwards crying when they see the problems and cost of it like you mentioned

[wbks]

Seems I'm wrong on the constitution business, according to the republican movement of NZ website, it wouldn't involve a change of the flag (strange considering the whole thing is symbolic and the union jack is symbolic on the flag... Must be picking their battles, huh), commonwealth membership (knew that already) and the treaty of Waitangi... So besides the official head of state being elected by US, what does it change?
http://www.republic.org.nz

[Hitcher]

Anybody who thinks that republicanism is a simple choice between a "royal family" or some sort of harmless elected figurehead as our head of state is disturbingly naive.

Much of our legislation, including such things as the Treaty of Waitangi, are contracts with the Crown. Remove the Crown and all of those contracts will require some sort of negotiation. Add to that the fact that New Zealand has no formal Constitution or proper Bill of Rights, and some reality about the amount of legislative effort required to set up a republic should be starting to dawn.

Add to that New Zealanders' predilection for titular honours, institutions prefaced by the descriptor "Royal" and fawning over visiting Princes, it's not hard to imagine a nation that remains a constitutional monarchy long after Pomgolia becomes a republic.

[nosebleed]

I thought it was a colloquialism for an 'adventurous' piercing

[wbks]

Anybody who thinks that republicanism is a simple choice between a "royal family" or some sort of harmless elected figurehead as our head of state is disturbingly naive.

See, that is the main argument people seem to be promoting it for (and of course there are more meaningful points), but that is also what people criticise it for!

Their reasons for change are these:
# bringing our head of state home, to our place;
# signalling our independence and maturity to the world;
# emphasising that power should come from the people;
# clarifying the role and powers of our head of state; and
# erasing the archaic succession rules of the monarchy.
These are all idealistic changes, and seem nothing more than cosmetic, yes? They recognize that this is mostly symbolic, and state that symbolism is incredibly important, but I really don't see how? I personally don't need to be symbolically free of the "old country" to feel proud to be a NZer.

[Hitcher]

Don't forget that Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth II is the Queen of New Zealand. The fact that she is also the Poms' Queen is nothing more than an accident of history. Even better is that our Queen is normally non-resident and largely not a drain on the long-suffering Kiwi taxpayer.