Bike rego course of action

[Quasievil]

So in summary you can have your rego on hold and get a warrant................thats what I was told, and further my insurance co told me I will still be insured

[Scuba_Steve]

you cant get a WOF without Reg (the plates) and you cant get a vehicle licence (commonly refered to as Reg) without a WOF.

But back to the main subject, if we could get at least those same people that attended the BIKEOI to put all their vehicles on hold (remember its not just the bikes getting screwed people) this should work out to an est 40,000 vehicles (or est 12,000,000$ (current $)) as most "biker familys" own at least 2 bikes and 2 cars, This would be a protest Govt would have to stand up and listen too. Demands would be simple Fair ACC!!! No privatisation!, and while we're at it a multi vehicle registration system! (we can only use 1 at a time).
As for tickets during this protest, clog the courts. The police, under NZ law have to (at their own expense) take you to court (you do NOT have to ask for this, it is your right under law) & have you found guilty before they can charge you any money failure to do this put them in breech of the same law they are paid to uphold.

Thats my little rant over. But its time to stand & fight NZ we DO NOT want to become America!

[kwaka_crasher]

So your saying that bikers should continue to ride all year round and pay the full 12 months rego/acc as always? That should show 'em

The opposite. Pay nothing. Keep riding.

As in Rego on hold

No, you were definitely misinformed. You must have a WoF to relicense - a current exemption from continuous licensing ("on hold") is irrelevant.

[kwaka_crasher]

I recently tried to get a warrant, I couldnt as the vehicle had no Rego so i needed the rego to get the warrant.

So in summary you can have your rego on hold and get a warrant................thats what I was told, and further my insurance co told me I will still be insured

Those posts are complete contradictions.

[Quasievil]

Those posts are complete contradictions.

cheers, the first one related to a car, the second was what I was told regarding a bike.

[kwaka_crasher]

cheers, the first one related to a car, the second was what I was told regarding a bike.

Ahhhh well i can assure you the same applies to both - WoF before relicense. Trailers can do either independantly.

[brett7777]

How do you go about opting to go to court instead of paying the ticket immediately? what is the process? I think that could be a possible method of protest/clogging system, but i thought they basically doubled the fine and put out a warrant for arrest if you didn't pay it by a certain time? I thought the only option was to appeal it with a letter to the court? Is that correct?
Hey I just paid my rego today for 3 months, it runs from the 29Jan.
Will my next 3 monthly reminder still be at the old price?
And when does it all go up?
I'm not voting National next time, that's for sure.

[kwaka_crasher]

You write to the issuing authority (Council or Police) and say you want a defended hearing and full disclosure.

If it goes to court and you lose there are costs added - $130 I think it is now - used to be $30 'back in the day'. Then if you still don't pay there's an enforcement fee - I think that's $100.

The worst bit is that the fine can be increased from the infringement fee level of $200 to $1000. Not that it ever actually is, but this is clearly intended to discourage you from sticking up for yourself.

I think the date of the new fees is 1st July. But I expect you'll be charged pro-rata if you relicense for a period that ends after 1 July so there'd be no point in getting a 12 month license on 30 June for example because you'd just get 1 day at the old rate and the balance at the new rate. Don't hold me to that though - they may not have implemented it as legislated!

See Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986.

Motor vehicles to be registered and licensed
(1) Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no person shall use any motor vehicle on any road unless—
(a) The motor vehicle is registered in accordance with this Part of this Act; and
(b) The registration plates and a current licence issued for that vehicle are affixed and displayed on the vehicle in the manner prescribed in any notice made under section 14 of this Act; and
(c) the full amount of the appropriate levies payable under section 214 of the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001 in respect of the period for which the licence is issued. has been paid

[kwaka_crasher]

Trouble is you really have no defence. But what you can do is make a submission of the circumstances in a hope of a reduction of the amount and once it's gone through pay the fine off bit by bit. That costs the courts time and resources to administer.

[Scuba_Steve]

"How do you go about opting to go to court instead of paying the ticket immediately"

You dont the ticket clearly says its alleged, and NZ law clearly says you are innocent until proven guilty (by a court of law) and you cannot be fined unless your guilt has 1st been proven which is at the cost of the acuser (NZ Police) to do so, they legally cannot do anything until this process has been met they rely on ignorance of people to bypass this procedure i.e. by paying you are admitting guilt, but the peice of paper itself is notice of an alleged offence not a fine! & thus they cannot claim money with that alone.

[peasea]

How do you go about opting to go to court instead of paying the ticket immediately? what is the process? I think that could be a possible method of protest/clogging system, but i thought they basically doubled the fine and put out a warrant for arrest if you didn't pay it by a certain time? I thought the only option was to appeal it with a letter to the court? Is that correct?
Hey I just paid my rego today for 3 months, it runs from the 29Jan.
Will my next 3 monthly reminder still be at the old price?
And when does it all go up?
I'm not voting National next time, that's for sure.

I always plead 'not guilty', no matter what the charge. I do this as soon as I get home with the ticket in hand. Add a major story (often bullshit) and wait. They send you a date for a hearing and you then demand all manner of material, like notes from the officer, certificate of accuracy (in the case of a laser gun, whatever, speeding type-ticket) certificate of competency (for the same thing) and so on. You then get mountains of paper with which to light the fire over winter.

All of this you simply ignore, wait until the date rolls around for your court hearing and the cop goes to court and is off the road for a couple of hours. You go to work as per normal and get the fine in the mail with court costs added, which for my last effort was only 30 bucks (2008). BUT! You can now plead poverty and drip it up, which you can't do with instant fines. If you really want to drag it out, every time you are due to make a payment ring the courts and again plead poverty (you just blew your wages on tyres to keep your bike safe, right?) and this game can go on for over a year. Try it, it's fun.

[Oakie]

I suppose you guys who are going to put your rego on hold but still ride will be decllining any ACC assistance should the worst happen?

Me, I'm paying the full thing because I ride every day and I don't want to have to keep looking over my shoulder. When I pay it I'm just going to tell myself it's medical insurance and income protection insurance for under $10 a week and try to convince myself it's a good deal.

You may flame me now boys. I have my asbestos undies on.

[kwaka_crasher]

I suppose you guys who are going to put your rego on hold but still ride will be decllining any ACC assistance should the worst happen?

Me, I'm paying the full thing because I ride every day and I don't want to have to keep looking over my shoulder. When I pay it I'm just going to tell myself it's medical insurance and income protection insurance for under $10 a week and try to convince myself it's a good deal.

You may flame me now boys. I have my asbestos undies on.

So you're basically rolling over despite all the evidence that points to the hikes in ACC being uneccessary? Ever heard of the poem "First they came..."?

[kwaka_crasher]

All of this you simply ignore, wait until the date rolls around for your court hearing and the cop goes to court and is off the road for a couple of hours. You go to work as per normal and get the fine in the mail with court costs added, which for my last effort was only 30 bucks (2008).

It's still $30. Not sure where I got $130 from.

See Summary Proceedings Regulations 1958.

[peasea]

It's still $30. Not sure where I got $130 from.

See Summary Proceedings Regulations 1958.

All good. I reckon it's worth the $30 for a number of reasons. You make them work for YOUR money, instead of just scribbling tickets for such 'anarchy' as 111kph on a state highway, (you killer you.) You get the offending officer off the streets for a couple of hours and you get the satisfaction of dragging (sic) everything out just coz you can.

It has, only a couple of times though, got to the stage where they have chucked it out. Gotta be worth the price of a stamp!