What a knob: Came off today

[Bikemad]

I think the poster suggesting track time was having a play? non?

No bikemike......i was suggesting the next time he feels the need to do his best Rossi impersonation..........by his own admission 9000 rpm or so on an unfamilier road,maintaining positive throttle to get the power down early etc blah blah wank.......he should take the bike and his attitude to the track where it belongs.....just my opinion but i agree with boomer

[p.dath]

Isn't this the guy that preaches on about ART days and how good they/he is...??!

I do preach about how good the ART days are - but I'm always in the novice group. I think they ART days are good - and I go there to learn.

If your riding an old beat up 600 on the streets up in the 10,000 range and you don't know how to control your bike, then you're a liability to others, not only yourself.

Where do you think I should be riding in the rev range?

[Grubber]

uh, is anyone else wondering what 'blip' means?

Ummmm.....NO!

[neels]

I'm finding this interesting reading, this is my probably pointless take on it.

Firstly, bummer on dropping the bike, hope it's not to ugly a repair bill & good to hear you're OK.

My understanding of the reason for throttle when downshifting was to match the engine speed to the next gear to make the downshift smoother for the gearbox.

It sounds like you're changing down for corners to try and keep the engine at max torque which I wouldn't have thought necessary unless you're racing or riding an old 2 stroke, and the result if you let the clutch out too quick is going to be rear wheel lockup unless you keep the revs right up to match the speed of the bike. If there's no need for braking for the corner then there really shouldn't be any need for a downshift either, all you're doing is selecting a gear that's too low for your speed.

Unfortunately you've been caught out by a couple of things happening at once, and it's going to cost you some money. Hopefully you have learnt something from it even if you don't realise it now, the next time it happens there may be some instinct to not do what you did last time as your subconcious knows it ended badly.

Have you done any off road riding? If nothing else it gets you used to the bike squirming around under you and reduces the tendency to panic and do something to fix it rather than just ride it out.

[Usarka]

I do preach about how good the ART days are - but I'm always in the novice group. I think they ART days are good - and I go there to learn.

Do you go there to learn how to ride on the road or on the track..... they are different skills........

[YellowDog]

Old habbits die hard.

I rarely let my rpm drop below 5000rpm.

It's how I keep in control whilst always having power on tap.

So for me changing down is instinctive as the bike reduces speed for a corner or anything else.

[p.dath]

Have you done any off road riding? If nothing else it gets you used to the bike squirming around under you and reduces the tendency to panic and do something to fix it rather than just ride it out.

No I have not. I see sandspit have dire bikes, and I was thinking of talking a mate into coming with me and giving it a try. I think some offroad skills would help nicely. Thanks for the reminder.

Do you go there to learn how to ride on the road or on the track..... they are different skills........

Neither really. I go to learn machine control and handling. Machine control can be used equally on the track or the road.

[p.dath]

I rarely let my rpm drop below 5000rpm.

It's how I keep in control whilst always having power on tap.

So for me changing down is instinctive as the bike reduces speed for a corner or anything else.

It sounds like we have similar riding styles. But I see you have a litre bike. I've never ridden anything bigger than a 600. Does your bike also have a wide rev range?

[YellowDog]

This is what I mean by 'those old habits'.

I have spent most of my riding years on bikes of less than 1000cc.

I am member of a Tiger specific forum and it seems that many with 1000cc bikes tend to use the huge torque range rather than the Revs and gears as I do.

I just don't enjoy that style of lazy riding.

Some have suggested that I step down to a 600cc bike to take advantage of the lower weight and additional manoeueverability.

I'm not looking to change. I just enjoy using the full engine range and the huge power bursts with the higher revs. I know the engine really well and feel happy changing up and down gears with or without using the clutch.

If you get to know your bike as well as I know mine, the entire process is effortless and without having to think about it.

I find slow riding just as much fun as riding fast.
(in a different way)

[boomer]

Where do you think I should be riding in the rev range?

Depends what you want out of your bike and ride.
If you're riding the road casually, as a law abiding citizen, then i wouldn't have thought you'd have been over 6, 7000 rpms.
If your aggressively riding and want torque (for acceleration and deceleration) then yeah i'd be up in the double figures. ( on your old IL4 )

but the point is, i hear you advocating safe riding which would suggest option # 1 above. I therefore wouldn't expect to hear you mention option #2 unless you're track riding or a hypocrite..??!


I ride my bike like i stole it all the time but i'm also prepared to acknowledge i don't give a flying fck about the road rules, speed limits or conditions....

[CHOPPA]

Isn't this the guy that preaches on about ART days and how good they/he is...??!

If your riding an old beat up 600 on the streets up in the 10,000 range and you don't know how to control your bike, then you're a liability to others, not only yourself.

Sounds to me like you think your riding on the track. Without the skills to to back it up

I cant believe how many people are giving this poor dude shit about his riding when he has made a simple mistake, yeah he should think about what has happened and try learn from his mistakes but the amount of people with negative and demeaning comments who cant ride for shit themselves is amazing!

[yachtie10]

I cant believe how many people are giving this poor dude shit about his riding when he has made a simple mistake, yeah he should think about what has happened and try learn from his mistakes but the amount of people with negative and demeaning comments who cant ride for shit themselves is amazing!

+1

Glad your OK Phil and hope the bikes not too bad

to me sounds like your changing down too late but I ride differently than you so carry on with learning from those in the know

To all the amazing riders commenting who have never made a mistake, I hope youR nose gets rubbed in it when you do

Phil is a carefull rider who has made a jump in confidence but would still be considered by most on here as a fairly slow rider (I have waited for him many times because he rides his own ride).

[boomer]

I cant believe how many people are giving this poor dude shit about his riding when he has made a simple mistake, yeah he should think about what has happened and try learn from his mistakes but the amount of people with negative and demeaning comments who cant ride for shit themselves is amazing!

I dont see you with any silver ware worth harping on about.... * edit, is that why you had your nose put out, are you an 'instructor' at the ART days?

[boomer]

I hope youR nose gets rubbed in it when you do

you'd have to be pretty speshal in the first place, to post on here that you'd crashed....

[Bikemad]

I cant believe how many people are giving this poor dude shit about his riding when he has made a simple mistake, yeah he should think about what has happened and try learn from his mistakes but the amount of people with negative and demeaning comments who cant ride for shit themselves is amazing!

Hey Choppa............if you go and read p.daths posts about his ride last sunday combined with his first posts about this incident,9000 rpm comin into unfamilier corners etc i think the only mistake he is makin is ridin on the road like its his personal race track.
One comment after his sunday ride posts was ....what song do you want played at ya funeral!!........a week later he bins it........
What with all the ACC bullshit of late the last thing bikers need is other bikers doin their best to prove ACCs distorted stereotypical view on bikers.
Slow Down...........or take it to the track is all im sayin