What a knob: Came off today

[Bikemad]

My apologies......the funeral comment was on a different thread altogether........hey im old and get confused easily............wheres my meds

[boomer]

I'm an ass hat

another tough guy... ahahahah

yeah mate, i'm the one preaching sensible riding on the interweb, THEN a week later telling people i was blipping into corners, on the road, at over 10k rpms, lost the back end and binned it... yeah mate.... i see where you're coming from. My bad.

[p.dath]

Hey Choppa............if you go and read p.daths posts about his ride last sunday combined with his first posts about this incident,9000 rpm comin into unfamilier corners etc i think the only mistake he is makin is ridin on the road like its his personal race track.
One comment after his sunday ride posts was ....what song do you want played at ya funeral!!........a week later he bins it........
What with all the ACC bullshit of late the last thing bikers need is other bikers doin their best to prove ACCs distorted stereotypical view on bikers.
Slow Down...........or take it to the track is all im sayin

I am a pretty slow rider. If your with me in a group ride, you'll find me near the back, because I don't like exceeding the speed limit. You'll find that I tend to be an overly cautious rider, so I don't tend to go fast through corners. Actually, I don't even like overtaking people that much, as the increased risk of being in the other lane while accerlating bothers me a bit.
I very much "ride my own ride", and don't try and keep up with others.

If you come with me to the track on an ART day you'll also find me down the back of the pack. You won't find me overtaking you at 250km/h. I'm the one getting overtaken. That's because I don't ride my bike to anywhere near its speed limit. I pretty much just work on machine control and rider techniques at the track. It is a much safer envinoment than the road.

9kRPM gives me plenty of power on my bike, and if I was in a higher gear, plenty of speed. But in this case, I was in a low gear. I wasn't wanting speed. At the time I was probably changing down into 1st from 2nd. When you have power available, you have choices. I can slow down a bit (thanks to some engine braking as the revs drop quickly if you close the throttle with them up high), speed up (lots of power on tap at 9kRPM), all sorts of options for things that may present themselves on a corner.

I don't think I was going fast through this corner. I think my speed and position were appropriate. I think I just screwed up my blip.


However I do appreciate all comments, positive or negative. Hence I made the post. All posts make me reflect on things. Even now I replay some aspects in my head thinking what would have been better to do. I have one pressing question, but I'll ask them seperately to make it easier for people to reply to.

[bsasuper]

Ha Ha Spooner, thats a typical responce from a twat, twats are so predictable, its twats like you that make me laugh so much, thanks for being a twat, really thanks

[p.dath]

So this is my question. Lets say you do experience a rear wheel lock through either a change down or compression lock (sorry Mom, still haven't figured out what that is yet), and especially considering your about to enter a corner, do you think your better to:

* Apply more power to start the wheel rotating again
* Engage the clutch so the wheel spins freely, but accept the bikes suspension will now be upset, the front wheel is suddenly going to load up, and as a result most of the bikes traction is going to now be reliant on the front wheel rather than split between the two.

My personal guess would be to apply more throttle, which is what I did. After reading the Keith Code books I think he would also agree.

However comments on here have me wondering if this was the wrong approach. Your thoughts, and most importantly, why. And in case it varies between bikes, I'd prefer answers more tailored to a sports bike.

[boomer]

Ha Ha Spooner, thats a typical responce from a twat, twats are so predictable, its twats like you that make me laugh so much, thanks for being a twat, really thanks

What would you like to hear me say, that i think you and D path are riding gods and i hang on every word you type and will en devour to change my life path based on what you think/type...

I'll also go crying to my mum, cos you insulted me..... Ok.

[jimbo_on_travels]

I have experienced rear wheel lock up a couple of times on my R6 (similar in some respects to the CBR) - and have to say I would slow down, at least until the wheel engages with the road again, and the gears are finding traction. I wouldn't pull the front anchors in hard, probably just a little bit to stabilise the bike.

The scariest rear wheel lockup for me, was coming down Wainui hill to Lower Hutt changing down a bit quick on a corner from a higher gear and the bike did just that. Not sure if its a text book method or not, but certainly worked for me.

[Bikemad]

i dont understand dude.........changin to first at 9000..........sounds like racin to me.
the only place i ever do numbers like that is on the track.

[bsasuper]

I doubt you got the point boomer, maybe when you have matured a bit you will. Im sure there other threads where you can talk all the bullshit you want, p dath is asking for help so thats what this thread is about.

[boomer]

I doubt you got the point boomer, maybe when you have matured a bit you will. Im sure there other threads where you can talk all the bullshit you want, p dath is asking for help so thats what this thread is about.

Thinking I dont get the point, you take the opportunity to abuse me? whos the top hat?

i gave him advice, the daft prick was speeding ( whether over the stated speed limit or over his capability ) and dropped it down ( god knows fookin why, i can hazard a guess he either thinks he was rossi or he has made a major fcuk up due to lack of experience) and allegedly hit some gravel in the middle of the road (is that the centre of his lane, a cars right wheel lane or the centre line); his over excited rear then slipped and made him bin.

you don;t have to be a rocket scientist to see whats happened. So on that note, i'll let you clever sorts work it out by yourselves and i'll go drive my commodore V8 at 4,500rpm and drop it down a cog or two, in the corners. (hopefully i dont fook up my blips)

Lets see how many riders out east i piss off and how many 'fooking cager' threads i can instigate.... Lets not forget the .. 'i binned it' thread.. 'what did i do wrong ?!'

[BMWST?]

So this is my question. Lets say you do experience a rear wheel lock through either a change down or compression lock (sorry Mom, still haven't figured out what that is yet), and especially considering your about to enter a corner, do you think your better to:

* Apply more power to start the wheel rotating again
* Engage the clutch so the wheel spins freely, but accept the bikes suspension will now be upset, the front wheel is suddenly going to load up, and as a result most of the bikes traction is going to now be reliant on the front wheel rather than split between the two.

My personal guess would be to apply more throttle, which is what I did. After reading the Keith Code books I think he would also agree.

However comments on here have me wondering if this was the wrong apporach. Your thoughts, and most importantly, why. And in case it varies between bikes, I'd prefer answers more tailored to a sports bike.

compression lock= a rear wheel lock through a change down.
Personally i cant see that you ever ever need to change down to first at 9000 rpm.The engine braking availabe from such a scenario will lock the back wheel up on prolly any bike.I would suggest that 9000 rpm in second gives you all the options you need.Practise your blipping,you will find the speed matching of the engine to road speed becomes more important as you go down through the gears.The torque multiplication of the lower gears means you dont need quite as many revs to get some engine response.

[crazyhorse]

I don't think it's that had to lock the rear end up by failing to blip. I'm not sure what revs I was at. May 9k (by the sound), red line at 13.5k. Was changing down near the entry of the corner to maintain positive throttle while cornering while maintaining the same speed (was happy with my entry speed). I tend to use higher revs entering a corner so I can power out easily.

You don't HAVE to blip between gears - so thats not it. I reckon you were already in a low gear, and went to go down more, and therefore too fast for that gear when you let it out and whoopsie, over you go. Esp if you were sitting at 9k.... we've all done it at somepoint, however, best to be more careful when gravel on corners and if you are in the wrong gear...

[YellowDog]

So this is my question. Lets say you do experience a rear wheel lock through either a change down or compression lock (sorry Mom, still haven't figured out what that is yet), and especially considering your about to enter a corner, do you think your better to:

* Apply more power to start the wheel rotating again
* Engage the clutch so the wheel spins freely, but accept the bikes suspension will now be upset, the front wheel is suddenly going to load up, and as a result most of the bikes traction is going to now be reliant on the front wheel rather than split between the two.

My personal guess would be to apply more throttle, which is what I did. After reading the Keith Code books I think he would also agree.

However comments on here have me wondering if this was the wrong apporach. Your thoughts, and most importantly, why. And in case it varies between bikes, I'd prefer answers more tailored to a sports bike.

Well there's your answer!

I never ever take a corner in first gear.

If you are moving, take it in second.


If you are not going fast enough, speed up.

If you really want/need to take it in first, then make sure you change down early enough to gain full control of the bike.

PROBLEM RESOLVED: CLOSED 31/01/2010 11:27

[steve_t]

So this is my question. Lets say you do experience a rear wheel lock through either a change down or compression lock (sorry Mom, still haven't figured out what that is yet), and especially considering your about to enter a corner, do you think your better to:

* Apply more power to start the wheel rotating again
* Engage the clutch so the wheel spins freely, but accept the bikes suspension will now be upset, the front wheel is suddenly going to load up, and as a result most of the bikes traction is going to now be reliant on the front wheel rather than split between the two.

My personal guess would be to apply more throttle, which is what I did. After reading the Keith Code books I think he would also agree.

However comments on here have me wondering if this was the wrong apporach. Your thoughts, and most importantly, why. And in case it varies between bikes, I'd prefer answers more tailored to a sports bike.

I'm still very much a noob myself but I would suggest that if your back wheel loses traction and you aren't in control, applying the clutch is the safest way to allow the rear wheel to "catch up". Applying the throttle to a power a wheel that has lost traction is the domain of those with amazing balance and control. I'm glad u didn't suggest the option of applying the front brake which may be the natural tendency. If you brake, you shift more weight off the back wheel and reduce rear grip even further.
I still think that if you had let the clutch out slower and given the engine a chance to catch up to the rear wheel speed, you'd have avoided compression lock - which is again locking up of the drive wheel(s) due to the grip being overpowered by the engine braking. The few extra milliseconds for the clutch release allows a little slip to give the engine more time to speed up. Of course, this isn't necessary when you blip the throttle.

While you open yourself up to sledging, I think posting these sorts of things is good as it allows not only yourself but others, like myself, to become aware of possible issues and how to (and how not to) respond to them

Like YellowDog, I hardly ever use 1st gear if already on the move but I'm always just cruising around

[bsasuper]

Someone on this thread has cried they are being abused, yet they use the words " daft prick" directed to someone else.