New 600 production class

[Peter Smith]

I just took a look at the MyLaps champion points, and there is only one guy in the 600 stock class and only one guy in the 1000 stock class. Surely they will scrap the stock championship this year.

[Nonbeliever]

I want to win races, not start them knowing it cant be done.

if everyone had that attitude the fields would be very very very small.

[Nonbeliever]

I just took a look at the MyLaps champion points, and there is only one guy in the 600 stock class and only one guy in the 1000 stock class. Surely they will scrap the stock championship this year.

yeah, the "new" class hasnt worked for getting more entries so far.

I'd have another two classes run seperatley to sbk and ss.

a 600 and a 1000 "streetbike" class where you are limited to a pipe,pc,air filter,braided lines,pads,chain/sprockets and STREET tyres (not dot legal race rubber) with a limit of 1 front and 2 rears per meeting.This would be a far more cost effective class without the big dollar outlay on suspension,tyres etc and get more people on the track with similar spec bikes for some close racing.

I'd can sidecars and streetstock and clubmans etc and limit national meets to :

sbk, ss ,1000streetbike, 600 streetbike ,125gp

Just my opinion I know some will dissagree

[Billy]

I just took a look at the MyLaps champion points, and there is only one guy in the 600 stock class and only one guy in the 1000 stock class. Surely they will scrap the stock championship this year.

Hopefully NOT!In fact the best thing they could do would be dump Production Superbike and 600sp in favour of these 2 classes and reintroduce F1 and F2 at national level.The current format is clearly NOT working and it appears too me no matter who is at the helm of MNZ,The format remains the same,Isnt it the first sign of insanity doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result ???.Its obvious too me the whole National series needs a revamp,There are 10 races a year for production superbike and 600sp,All the rest are F1 and F2 and yet the experts turn up at a winter series meet and ask, Why dont all these people come too our National meetings

[lostinflyz]

yeah, the "new" class hasnt worked for getting more entries so far.

I'd have another two classes run seperatley to sbk and ss.

a 600 and a 1000 "streetbike" class where you are limited to a pipe,pc,air filter,braided lines,pads,chain/sprockets and STREET tyres (not dot legal race rubber) with a limit of 1 front and 2 rears per meeting.This would be a far more cost effective class without the big dollar outlay on suspension,tyres etc and get more people on the track with similar spec bikes for some close racing.

I'd can sidecars and streetstock and clubmans etc and limit national meets to :

sbk, ss ,1000streetbike, 600 streetbike ,125gp

Just my opinion I know some will dissagree

its not even really the first year of the class as most poepl had no idea it started yet. so to judge it a failure is somewhat unfair.

why would you have 2x 1000 and 2 x 600 cc classes??? the costs for supersport/superbike and streetbike wont be excessively different. you still need the same spares catalogue, plenty of tyres, most the race gear and a new bike. its just a bit more managable, but as with all motorsport, someone will spend more and go faster. with those classes you elimate anyone with a annual budget less than what, 15 odd grand as a barebones runner club/nats runner. You'd end up with 2 x races classes competing with each other for talent, and dulling out the racing in sbk/600 and your new streetbike class.

i also note you canned f3 in your nationals calender, so i am offended.

[Str8 Jacket]

I'd can sidecars and streetstock and clubmans etc and limit national meets to :

sbk, ss ,1000streetbike, 600 streetbike ,125gp

Just my opinion I know some will dissagree

I will disagree. Street Stock had the largest grids in all the South Island Nationals.

Where do you think people learn how to race? Believe it or not you can just jump on a Superbike and be the 'next big thng'. Just something to think about....

[Nonbeliever]

i also note you canned f3 in your nationals calender, so i am offended.

I did overlook f3, and yes f3 would be included.

The "streetbike" class is aimed at the guys who dont enter sbk or 600ss because of cost

It would not have a 5year homologation rule,more like 10years.
The cost would be alot lower than trying to compete in the top class, especially in the tyre department with limitation to 2 rears and 1 front per meeting,no wets ,no need for spare wheels,no big dollar suspension,no big dollar engine work.
Aimed at a guy (or girl) that wants to race against similar machines.A field of 2000 and later model litrebikes and 600's with little mods at a budget all on a similar "playing field". So wrong??

[Nonbeliever]

I will disagree. Street Stock had the largest grids in all the South Island Nationals.

Where do you think people learn how to race? Believe it or not you can just jump on a Superbike and be the 'next big thng'. Just something to think about....

sure,but the meetings do have time constraints and streetstocks are ran at club meetings are they not? club meetings are where people learn to race.

[Str8 Jacket]

sure,but the meetings do have time constraints and streetstocks are ran at club meetings are they not? club meetings are where people learn to race.

Well in that logic so do all the other classes.

Im not going to debate with you though. Streetstock has it haters and I dont really care.

[Nonbeliever]

Well in that logic so do all the other classes.

Im not going to debate with you though. Streetstock has it haters and I dont really care.

Imnot a hater of streetstock at all,but with my idea (like it or not) some classes would have to be cut, and streetstock and sidecars would be two of them,due to time constraints at the meetings otherwise you get into the situation of classes missing out on races,having prectices cut etc etc

[lostinflyz]

if you want to do ok (pretty much everyone) you'd need a modern-ish bike. if it was this year id say you'd need at least a 06.

the costs are lower than the top class but not by a whole heap. I mean 2 rears 1 front is still near enough to a 1000 bucks a weekend. If you've got no shock mods your going to be struggling to get your tyres to last that distance. no wets is crazy, i wouldn't bother racing in a class that banned wets, its suicide if your trying. policing these type of classes would be nigh on impossible.

you would save money on engine mods and suspension, exhausts but thats about it. The running costs of 600/1000 has shown to stop even very good racers in their tracks regardless of state of tune. buying and setting up the bike is easier than running it.

As i said before you'd end up with the sbk/600 grids getting smaller and having a whole lots of really short grids. Having gone round nats this year so far i've gotta say alot of people find excuses not to do it, and regardless of the class or costs most wont show up no matter what if they are gonna be made to look slow. and no matter what the intention, some really quick guys are going to end up in every class and make alot of people look really slow.

[Kickaha]

Imnot a hater of streetstock at all,but with my idea (like it or not) some classes would have to be cut, and streetstock and sidecars would be two of them,due to time constraints at the meetings otherwise you get into the situation of classes missing out on races,having prectices cut etc etc

Up until this year sidecars quite frequently feilded bigger feilds than SBK and the only reason we didn't this year was being shafted by MNZ, I think they should can the litre bikes and give the rest of us more laps

I want to win races, not start them knowing it cant be done.

Sell that crappy solo and buy Scrivys housebus powered outfit, it'll get you right up the pointy end

[Drew]

if everyone had that attitude the fields would be very very very small.

Yeah, nobody wants to win races. Everybody loves to think their bike isn't competitive too.

There are certainly people out there racing on whatever they can afford, (including me), but you think that those people can buy brand new bikes just because they dont need to spend extra money opening up the motor. Over half the super stock bikes out there are pretty much off the shop floor powered already, but fuck all of them are the current model.

[Nonbeliever]

if you want to do ok (pretty much everyone) you'd need a modern-ish bike. if it was this year id say you'd need at least a 06.

the costs are lower than the top class but not by a whole heap. I mean 2 rears 1 front is still near enough to a 1000 bucks a weekend. If you've got no shock mods your going to be struggling to get your tyres to last that distance. no wets is crazy, i wouldn't bother racing in a class that banned wets, its suicide if your trying.

STREET tyres,not dot legal racerubber.A decent road tyre these days can be ridden suprisingly hard, and also aren't too bad in the wet, yeah sure you still have to ride to the conditions just like whetheryour running slicks, wets whatever.They are also waaay less prone to tearing and therefore will not have the chance of destroying itself like racerubber.
It's all about getting more bikes on grids,and the top guys will still compete in the top class.Someting like this would be a great stepping stone to 600ss or sbk or just a chance for john doe to have some close racing on his streetbike

[Drew]

Sell that crappy solo and buy Scrivys housebus powered outfit, it'll get you right up the pointy end

Good thinkin, you wanna increase your rigs ponies? Ten grand will get ya my motor, comes wrapped in pagaging that bares striking resemblance to a GIXXER thou.