Learner's curfew - does anybody know why?

[rvross]

Thanks guys, now I know I'm not the only one thinking about it.
I feel very welcome

[Swoop]

Does some one knows why??

Simply because suzukis' turn back into the pumpkins they were created from at that time.

[rvross]

jajaj, god to know it, I have to be careful with my pumpkin.jajaj

[Leseid]

Going back to the original question, it is actually a good question.
Statistics prove your more likely to have an accident between the hours of 10pm to 5am. But these statistics could be for all motor vehicles and not specific to motorcycles.

I guess the other way to look at it is, driving or riding when traffic conditions are light might seem the ideal way to learn the basics of your vehicle. You can still do this well before 10 each night, traffic in Wellington city drops off after 7pm.
There's the old saying though, "train hard and race easy". Your probably going to learn way faster riding in heavy traffic and develop much better skills than only riding in light traffic.

Still would be good to hear the official response, say from someone who works for LTSA (if your reading this).

[kwaka_crasher]

Unfortunately, the infringement fee is $400 for riding outside licence conditions

No. $100 and 25 demerit points. It changed late last year at the same time as the cellphone ban and many other things.

See here for the infringement fee (see "Drives between hours of 10 pm and 5 am) and here for the demerits (see "Drives motor vehicle contrary to the conditions of his or her driver licence (other than conditions relating to display of L plate)...)

[red mermaid]

So if its such a stupid condition and was set by such a stupid method, which incidentally is totally incorrect, what have motorcycle organisations such as BRONZ done about trying to get it changed?

I would suggest absolutely squat, nil, nothing, except make pathetic comments in a vain attempt to gain some sort of street cred.

Cos the cabinet minister who was responsible for the legislation popped by to see his old Mum , takling the draft with him. Mum decided to ahve a look through it, and , as Mum's will, ahd decided ideas about when the children should get home at night. So, she made a couple of slight amendments Which passed unnoticed into law.

That was also the source of the ban on pillions. Mum apparently went out with a biker when she was herself a girl.

Wot Ixion said. It is a stupid condition that you can obtain an exemption for if you can prove you are working etc. Welcome to KB too btw. Make sure you do a Defensive Driving Course so you can advance to a Full as soon as possible.

You are indeed correct

It was in the Land Transport Amendment Act Dec 09...............

Failure to display L plates results in in 25 demerit points and a fine of $100.

Breaching learner conditions (other than failing to display L plates) results in 35 demerit points and a fine of $100.
Breaching any other conditions you could receive 25 demerit points and a fine of $400.

[Slyer]

So if its such a stupid condition and was set by such a stupid method, which incidentally is totally incorrect, what have motorcycle organisations such as BRONZ done about trying to get it changed?

I would suggest absolutely squat, nil, nothing, except make pathetic comments in a vain attempt to gain some sort of street cred.

You would be wrong, cockwallet.

[Spearfish]

I'm on a 6L as well and often on the roads well after 11 so, for just over a year I have been riding a moped from central Auck to west.
The faulty theory I had at the time was that a class 6 wasn't any use because of curfew.
I can see a point if the learner has had no experience at all in any other class of vehicle and is under say 25 but if your crossing over from 30 years of driving I cant see the point of the 10pm cut-off.
I can see the point of the 70 kph speed restriction for six montha while learning the craft though .
Personally in my case a larger physical presence on the road could add to my safety but maybe it could take some away as well.

[Mully]

i cant hold on much longer

Yeah, I didn't find it.
Cos I didn't look
And then I forgot and had dinner.

Sorry. But....

You are indeed correct

there's your answer. Bush Lawyers, FTW.

Simply because suzukis' turn back into the pumpkins they were created from at that time.

And you, sir, can shut your pie hole.
Damn Honda riders......

[Mikkel]

Why?

Simple: because the law was made for teenagers by people who, most likely, didn't give a shit about the details - they just knew that "there has to be rules".


I've said often enough before that the curfew is ridiculous, especially when applied to grown-ups who hold a full endorsement for any other vehicle class. By what logic is it ok to drive a 4 tonne 4x4 with wooden brakes at 10:30pm, but not a motorised bicycle?

[breakaway]

Just for revenue gathering. FTP. Don't stop I say.

[Toaster]

I think you're quite unlikely to get an exemption for this though.

An exemption can be given if you can provide evidence that the restriction adversly affects you for certain things like employment.

I got one for work because it was my only method of transport and I worked shift work and had shifts that either started or finished within that time restriction.

[Ixion]

An exemption for curfew used to be real easy to get, one of the easiest exemptions. Then , as usual, plonkers started in getting exemptions without any real justification, spinning a load of bollocks. Ltsa as was weren't totally stupid and realized what was going on, and toughened it up. As usual the ubusers stuffed it up for the genuine people. Now it's quite hard but it can be done. You'll need a letter from your boss saying that you have no other transport, buses and taxis do not exist in your space time continuum and you'll lose your job if you don't get the exemption which will mean your aged granny and your six little children and four fluffy pink kittens will all starve to death. Most bosses will be good for this . Hopefully they hate the Man too. If not get a better boss.

Oh and it's a real hassle , yes , but it's all worth it when you see the look of frustrated fury on the cops face when you produce the exemption letter !

They do so hate it when real people use the system against them

[marty]

Just for revenue gathering. FTP. Don't stop I say.

Yet funnily enough, at about 10pm last night i was coming through some road works at about 70km/h (30k limit posted) then didn't stop at the compulsory stop at the end of them, where the road goes over a railway track. A cop car was sitting at the stop sign waiting coming the other way. He flicked his light bar on, I stopped, he sat there for 30 seconds, then drove off. If I kept going, I gaurantee I would have been either walking, or about $800 poorer

[The Everlasting]

From the above posts it sounds like getting an exemption would be really hard,so just ride after 10 if you have too,and hope you don't come across any cops. Most of them will have retired with their donuts and hot chocolate at that time anyways.