New Zealand Mums

[avgas]

Nothing wrong with young mums.
Horny little fuckers they are.

[avgas]

Work and Income should put up a website where you can report people who rip off the system, anonymous.

They did that back in Sweden and they got 40 000 reports in a day!

I would pay for that even

[avgas]

There is a saying:
If you can’t support it, abort it!

Ahhhhhh but therein lies the crux of the matter.
How do you teach the unthinking majority?
Its all a matter of perspective you see.

[Dave Lobster]

I don't like the thought either. But until you enforce sterilisation or abortion would you condemn a child to being hungry? Much as I dislike a beneficiary culture (Not genuine beneficiaries) I'd not want a child to go hungry even if it costs me a few hundred dollars a month.

Better to get it adopted to someone that would look after it, than charge people the money to hand out in benefits, surely?

While the wrong people have children, I'm willing to bet that the money we give them is more likely to go on the wrong things (fags/booze/P), rather than on food for the child.

[Slyer]

The totalitarian in me would want prospective parents to be deemed worthy before they may reproduce. Something like a parenting license where you must pass exams and be given clearance to have kids.
Those who get pregnant without authorisation must either have an abortion or get deported.

Think about the wonders this would do for the gene pool, would be paradise.

[Pascal]

Better to get it adopted to someone that would look after it, than charge people the money to hand out in benefits, surely?

While the wrong people have children, I'm willing to bet that the money we give them is more likely to go on the wrong things (fags/booze/P), rather than on food for the child.

Perhaps. Is the answer state enforced control over a parent being able to keep their child? (Don't try to compare this to state intervention in abusive / dangerous situations)

What do you mean with "the wrong people"?

[slofox]

or get deported.

The British tried that with their "convicts"...and we ended up with Australia as a neighbour!

[XxKiTtiExX]

Huge difference between "breeding for a living" (you know the type where they keep popping out sprogs so that benefit payout rate goes up, meanwhile none of this extra revenue actually gets spent on the kid/s) and a solo parent (mother or father who genuinely gives a shit about the child/children, but due to circumstances needs financial support, wether it is due to a relationship breakdown, death, illness, redundancy, or help so that you are able to study so that one day you are fully capable of being able to support your family).

I know of someone whos partner is currently collecting a sickness benefit, she is able to collect a benefit also (has never worked a day in her life). He's 'far to sick to work' yet manages a fulltime cash job. They have 1 child who is constantly dressed in the same filthy rags that I personally wouldn't even give to my dog to sleep on (and another one on the way mind you). Meanwhile mum spends $400.00 a week on pokies.

(Being a biological parent doesn't make you a good one).

At the same time you can slave your arse off for 10 years, have a baby and the only help you get is 14 weeks worth of a percentage of your weekly wage. Then its expected of you to put the baby into day care where they fail to recieve the most crucial first 3 years of unconditional love and stimulation.

Maybe a few comments in the thread should have been worded differently so that it doesn't come across as though all solo mothers are being labeled as pieces of trash.

[mashman]

The totalitarian in me would want prospective parents to be deemed worthy before they may reproduce. Something like a parenting license where you must pass exams and be given clearance to have kids.
Those who get pregnant without authorisation must either have an abortion or get deported.

Think about the wonders this would do for the gene pool, would be paradise.

Funnily enough that's exactly what they do when you request to adopt a child... I had a good friend in the UK who was trying to adopt and she was put through the ringer for 20 months of form filling and interviews... then the home vists started, no kid as yet, but just to suss out the environment etc...

It's an interesting concept... proving your suitability to be a parent over a period of time... glad it's not though, ida been screwed...

[Slyer]

Funnily enough that's exactly what they do when you request to adopt a child... I had a good friend in the UK who was trying to adopt and she was put through the ringer for 20 months of form filling and interviews... then the home vists started, no kid as yet, but just to suss out the environment etc...

It's an interesting concept... proving your suitability to be a parent over a period of time... glad it's not though, ida been screwed...

Mmmm, why do adopters have to prove themselves but parents don't?

[Dave Lobster]

What do you mean with "the wrong people"?

People like this:

I know of someone whos partner is currently collecting a sickness benefit, she is able to collect a benefit also (has never worked a day in her life). He's 'far to sick to work' yet manages a fulltime cash job. They have 1 child who is constantly dressed in the same filthy rags that I personally wouldn't even give to my dog to sleep on (and another one on the way mind you). Meanwhile mum spends $400.00 a week on pokies.

[Pascal]

People like this...

Fair enough, I could get behind removing kids from those kinds of people.

[mashman]

Mmmm, why do adopters have to prove themselves but parents don't?

Ownership most likely. My Kids, I made 'em... I guess it's bourne of that sort of attitude... That and you can't go to jail for putting your kid in the care of someone else and having that someone else fuck up... with adoption, if you get it wrong, some poor sod is gonna be strung up for that sort of "mistake"... I'm most likely wrong, but believe that it'll be something as pathetic as that...

[PrincessBandit]

Huge difference between "breeding for a living" (you know the type where they keep popping out sprogs ..........
..........(Being a biological parent doesn't make you a good one).
............Maybe a few comments in the thread should have been worded differently so that it doesn't come across as though all solo mothers are being labeled as pieces of trash.

Sentence 1 : Just think of the industry which could be abused by no-hoper women popping out babies for money, not for themselves to keep but basically as surrogates. Yet I would much rather see adoption than "can't support - abort" thinking. Sadly though even babes born and given up for adoption can still end up with a shit life, so I guess it's a hard one to solve ain't it.
Sentence 2 : Spot on - being a biological parent does not make you automatically a "good" one, although 'good' does have varying degrees of goodness. If you are not prepared for the consequences of sex leading to a baby you shouldna be doin it!!! Or if you have to, do it on ya own!
Sentence 3 : I think a fair number of comments have already been made making your point - solo mum does NOT necessarily equate with bad mum.

[avgas]

Nope your all wrong.
We need no hopers, young mums, loser boys, drongo's, fools, idiots, bludgers, pokie addicts, uneducated fools........you get my drift.
How much do you think you would get paid if these members of society did not exist.
Push them under you as you climb on up. Then laugh at them as they become day time tv