North Auckland Street Skills - NASS

[TOTO]

Fantastic to have such a great turnout, with so many new riders and a few of the old mugs too

Catch you all next week fellas and fellases

Be safe

[hctseng]

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[Badger8]

all good, me and simon usually meet at 6am at cycletreads and leave from there for the art day

I might join you. 6am. Shudder.

I am planning to throw the hornetto on the back of the ute to head down this time, so if you guys want any extra gear taken down just let me know. Happy to carry a gas can or bag of gear for anyone headin down

Unloading the camera from NASS night now, will throw together a compilation video and throw it sly_gay's way to upload

[TOTO]

I am planning to throw the hornetto on the back of the ute to head down this time, so if you guys want any extra gear taken down just let me know. Happy to carry a gas can or bag of gear for anyone headin down

Unloading the camera from NASS night now, will throw together a compilation video and throw it sly_gay's way to upload

you coming to Isaacs birthday to say hi after the track day ?

[fizbin]

i am shorty to have a Ute so if you need me to come and rescue someone let me know. depending on how things are going i thought i might come down and watch you loonies

[p.dath]

You know the exercise we did this week about riding between the two rows of cones - I didn't hear Richard say it was a filtering exercise. I guessed it was a "slow" exercise, as in go as slow as you can and stay between the lines.

Never mind.

[fizbin]

You know the exercise we did this week about riding between the two rows of cones - I didn't hear Richard say it was a filtering exercise. I guessed it was a "slow" exercise, as in go as slow as you can and stay between the lines.

Never mind.

that is what it is designed for to give you slow speed control. the slower the better!

[fizbin]

opps just read the post as to when the track day is. i gues the Ute will have to wait as i don't get that until April.
Never mind!
but at least we have another recovery vehicular after that

[R-Soul]

He is on what is supposed to be a cruiser. The same rules do not apply. Have you seen a motard move through the corners or the way you actually lean in the opposite direction to the turn and stick your leg out, or a dirt bike? The bikes are set up differently and have different geometry hence the difference. Learning to ride a bike correctly is not a generic art. Hence one on one coaching is the only way to be technically correct in all aspects of your riding.

Actually the same rules do apply - the rules of physics. The ability to apply them is just more difficult, which is why they dont race cruiser style bikes in MotoGP.

The idea is to get your body weight lower AND forward.

You get it LOWER(and off the side) to allow you bike to remain more upright going through a corner to allow the suspension to work at angles that it was designed for (i.e. upright).

You get your weight FORWARDto balance the weight distribution between wheels going through a corner, so that both have the maximum grip (the more weight on a wheel, the more grip - to a point). If you go through a corner too fast with not enough weight on teh fornt wheel, or if you apply throttle coming out of a corner too soon and the weight lifts off your front wheel enough, it could cause it to break away for lack of traction. Weight forward is good... again- that is why no cruiser style bike are ridden in Moto GP. [FOR TECHNO FREAKS WHO DONT MIND USING THEIR BRAINS: This is also why the best handling bikes have a front /back weight dirstibution of about 52% back and 48% front (so that when the rider gets on, his weight biases the overall weight distribution to 50/50). ]

It is easier to get weight forward by moving your torso than your ass. And moving your ass sideways is not causing the centre of mass of your body to move downwards - only inwards (pointless). Whereas when you bend your torso over, all that mass that was above the tank, is now almost next to the tank. SO: Kissing the mirror is the best way to go.

[R-Soul]

Actually thinking about it - moving your bum to the side of the saddle will allow you to get your inside leg lower down and your body more forwrd. So its not pointless.

But doing that alone will be largely ineffectual. Its a means to an end.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Actually the same rules do apply - the rules of physics.

You are stating the obvious. Of cause the rules of physics apply. They do not automatically 'switch off' when you jump on a cruiser! I'm sure even the learners who are reading know what I mean so I will not go into further detail. Most crusiers were not made to go through corners hence why they don't race them in Moto Gp which of cause is all about the corners. No need to complicate things too much , just look at a cruiser bike, nothing on it says "I do the business in the corners".

[R-Soul]

You are stating the obvious. Of cause the rules of physics apply. They do not automatically 'switch off' when you jump on a cruiser! I'm sure even the learners who are reading know what I mean so I will not go into further detail. Most crusiers were not made to go through corners hence why they don't race them in Moto Gp which of cause is all about the corners. No need to complicate things too much , just look at a cruiser bike, nothing on it says "I do the business in the corners".

Right, and the reason is because the wight distribution is too heavily biased in favour of the rear end. Which is why braking on the back wheel is more effective on cruisers than sports bikes. But that means that it is even more critical for cruiser riders to get their weight forward if they want to do higher speed cornering. (note: Actually if you have a cruiser, you should not really be doing high speed cornering in the first place).

[R-Soul]

You are stating the obvious. Of cause the rules of physics apply. They do not automatically 'switch off' when you jump on a cruiser! I'm sure even the learners who are reading know what I mean so I will not go into further detail. Most crusiers were not made to go through corners hence why they don't race them in Moto Gp which of cause is all about the corners. No need to complicate things too much , just look at a cruiser bike, nothing on it says "I do the business in the corners".

Well, if its so bleeding obvious, why are others here asking IF the same rules apply? Maybe it seems obvious to you- but clearly not to others. Of course the laws of physics dont "switch off' - but clearly its not obvious HOW they still apply and what makes the difference in handling.

Someone asked, I replied. Shoot a guy down for trying to help, wont you?

[retro asian]

You get it LOWER(and off the side) to allow you bike to remain more upright going through a corner to allow the suspension to work at angles that it was designed for (i.e. upright).

...and to stop your foot pegs / floorboards scraping on every tight corner.

(note: Actually if you have a cruiser, you should not really be doing high speed cornering in the first place).

...except when owning sports bikes...

[R-Soul]

...except when owning sports bikes...

Hey the size of the riders balls does not convert directly into the capability of the bike...
(or is that guy being lapped?)

I reckon all the picture shows is that the guys on the sports bikes are not anywhere close to the adhesion limits of their bikes. (Not that I would be able to ride anywhere close to them anyway...)