Paeroa safety?

[yungatart]

What I am saying though, is if an untrained marshall failed to notify of an impending hazard to a rider, and a rider had to take evasive action to avoid said obstacle, and inadvertantly went into spectators. Would the club then be liable for not adequately taking all reasonable steps to ensure all possible situations had been thouroughly thought through? I'm beginning to pack my undies for clubs and organisers as things stand.....

Untrained marshalls are always placed with trained marshalls, at least in the clubs I marshall for.

Training flaggies should be a high priority then!
Willy on his sidecar got hit on the helmet by a flaggie looking the wrong way at Wanganui, and I very nearly wore a flag at the kink on the back straight at Paeroa.

Training of marshalls is a high priority, at least in the clubs I marshall for.

[javawocky]

Thats where ya went wrong bro...............a real chook chaser woulda grabbed the beer, popped the cap under one arm whilst backing it in to T1, then once past the apex tilted helmet up and taken a swig while apexing T2, then wheelying out and passing the bottle to the flag marshall...................shit, and I thought "I" was soft!

I reckon that number 333 could have done this, he was backing into the corners nice and good!

[Jabez]

While the death of a competitor at Paeroa on Sunday was a tragic ending to a great day, I dont beleive that the event should be shut down.
There has been a bit of talk about that being a possiblity.

I ask why?

Because they ran out of ambulances & there was a 30min wait for one to be available (can't race without one) & they had to finish @ 5pm anyway.

[Jabez]

Training flaggies should be a high priority then!
Willy on his sidecar got hit on the helmet by a flaggie looking the wrong way at Wanganui, and I very nearly wore a flag at the kink on the back straight at Paeroa.

Do you not realize that flag marshals control the area between them & the next flag marshal, therefore they have to look in the same direction that the racers are going (with back to riders).... not much point looking at riders coming if someone has come off behind you & you don't warn the coming riders...Flag marshals have to trust the other marshals to be their eyes!

[MSTRS:Me]

Do you not realize that flag marshals control the area between them & the next flag marshal, therefore they have to look in the same direction that the racers are going (with back to riders).... not much point looking at riders coming if someone has come off behind you & you don't warn the coming riders...Flag marshals have to trust the other marshals to be their eyes!

Not quite true. Marshals need to be aware in both directions (blue flag comes to mind), there are always at least 2 on a point, and the one waving the flag needs to be doubly aware of what's coming as well. The referred-to incident shows lack of marshal training/ability.

[Gremlin]

MSTRS, it really depends on who is running it. While not a race day, Hampton's uses one marshal per point, as the marshals do not move, do not attend incidents, and therefore, you simply wave flags. One person per point suffices for that.

I have always seen inexperienced marshals placed with more experienced marshals, with the idea that the experienced ones teach the inexperienced, and I've helped instruct plenty over the years.

Jabez, I think in the planning, 4.30pm was the initial cut, but the event could be run until 5pm. The circuit needed to be restored to roads by 6pm...

[MSTRS:Me]

MSTRS, it really depends on who is running it. While not a race day, Hampton's uses one marshal per point, as the marshals do not move, do not attend incidents, and therefore, you simply wave flags. One person per point suffices for that.

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If it's racing, then it shouldn't make any difference who's running the show, because it all falls under MNZ rules. Whilst I'm not certain (Frosty?) it should be 2+ marshals per point.
And point taken about track/ride days...they are a different thing altogether

[Jabez]

Not quite true. Marshals need to be aware in both directions (blue flag comes to mind), there are always at least 2 on a point, and the one waving the flag needs to be doubly aware of what's coming as well. The referred-to incident shows lack of marshal training/ability.

I'm specifically talking about the marshal waving the flags (except the blue flag, which is another marshal looking at the riders coming toward him) not the other marshals at the point.
Of course you (flag marshal) are aware of the riders coming passed, but you have to trust that the ones looking the other way will warn/push you out of harms way.
If the marshal turned to look at the oncoming riders (while others are passing) then their attention and reaction time would be impaired, thus reducing the advanced warning to riders (crashes happen at a very rapid rate & I'm sure that the racers want as much warning as possible).
BTW I am referring to the kink before the hairpin at Paeroa here, other tracks/corners may enable different techniques.
Also bearing in mind that you have to watch the next flag marshal who can react to situation around the next corner that you can't see or hear, but must react as well (IE. stationary yellow).
Personally I would love to watch more racing action, but we are there for the riders safety!

[jasonu]

Point 2: (this comes from one of the racers themselves) scrutinise those who have entered the race more closely. Some of the accidents last sunday were caused by rider fault (inexperience) which didn't need to happen.

Yes on that one. A few (a lot) of years ago I got cleaned up by a PE250 riden by some guy who lied about his experience on his entry. I don't remember the actual crash but Warren New, who was marshalling said he had to literally sit on me to stop me running about like headless chook. I was out for 45 minutes then got a meat wagon ride to the Thames hospital where I shared a room with the PE rider. At the time I didn't know who he was. I remember him bragging how he had lied on his entry about his raceing experience. He had actually done zero events before this. He said he rounded the sweeping corner past the pits, fucked it up and hit a bale. Apparently I was next on the scene and got skittled by his bike sliding back onto the track.

[Kickaha]

I very nearly wore a flag at the kink on the back straight at Paeroa.

That was $50 well spent, would have been $100 if he'd got you

Whilst I'm not certain (Frosty?) it should be 2+ marshals per point.

I think it should be two per point wherever possible but I don't think there is any MNZ requirement for a particular number of marshals at each point

[Pussy]

That was $50 well spent, would have been $100 if he'd got you

It's nice to see that the beautiful loving relationship between you and scrivy is alive and well, kick!

[scrivy]

It's nice to see that the beautiful loving relationship between you and scrivy is alive and well, kick!

Heh, he calls himself a homophobe....... but was constantly texting me yesterday asking to stay here. Wanted brekkie with me this morning too.....
He's as bent as the paraparas!! I didn't let him stay either!!!!
Fag!!!

[Kickaha]

Heh, he calls himself a homophobe....... but was constantly texting me yesterday asking to stay here. Wanted brekkie with me this morning too.....
He's as bent as the paraparas!! I didn't let him stay either!!!!
Fag!!!

Couldn't be arsed driving that far, stayed at the Beautiful Motel Taihape instead and had a Mobil Pie for breakfast

[jellywrestler]

Mobil Pie for breakfast

there were pies left? were you ahead of dave?

[Biggles08]

Always blow on the Pie......safer communities together.