Superbikes limited to superstock?

[Shaun P]

Your bike will do, u got me wrong ill put my money on the underdog

[gixerracer]

what i have all ways liked as a dumb idea would be have say 3 zx10s 3 r1s 3gixer thous and 3 cbrs and 12 riders no friday practice a controled tyre and you pull your key out of a hat at riders brief and thats what you race that weekend and you cant race the same bike again now that would sort out some arguments lol

I would put my money on Craig as well but it would be interesting to see the top say 8 riders of the championship jump on a standard maybe R1 or ZX10 so its diff for everyone and give us 10 laps each to get some lap times. Would be an expensive exercise hahaha

[gixerracer]

ya no the thing that makes me laugh the most is everyone seems to pick on the sbk class re the cost but im willing to place a bet the codgy and jason easton have spent more money on there f3 championship than most of us sbk guys???? The most expensive part of racing as all ready listed is tyres and travel go to a controlled tyre and stop any testing maybe 3 weeks before each event including the friday before so only 2 days you can test before a meeting just not 3 weeks prior to an event being held a that particular track. Thoughts????

I like the basic stock idea thingy - however the first thing to be in place well before a championship based on this sort of spec would be to have the technical inspectors made known and from the outset and for them to be active & be able to have the power to make decisons on the day. One x inspector to oversee 600 & 1000's each.
Bottom line though in my opionion is that the same fast riders will still be at the pointy end. Overall though (in theory) i it should reduce the build costs for the average punter and may even get dealer/shop supported bikes back into the fold.
As Craig ses - if your within 10hp , then its down to your riding ability & your ability to set up the bike.

Here is the order of the bigger costs based on when i had a play on a sbk for a cuple of years and personnaly pay for everything 1) Tyres 2) Accomodation and travel & entry 3) Engine build 4) Suspension build & servicing 5) Consumables & spares.

Had no budget for a spare bike, more than one set of wheels, bodywork, tank, subrame. (I.E if it went for a big endo roll somwhere - i was packin up and goin home) The cost of the orignal bike itself was not included as it was expected to get the money back on that at the end.

Cost me $45K for six months riding inc testing etc - with nats in the middle.

Bottom line is - the stock idea wont change a lot of those primary costs. However the stock idea combined with a few other ideas might though.
Glen

[Kickaha]

The most expensive part of racing as all ready listed is tyres and travel

I'm suprised that travel is, ok we're only doing 4 rounds but our spend for that is $632 total on the ferry for van, trailer + two people,$400 in flights $500 in accomodation $400-500 on gas, so about $2K, = $500 per round

go stop any testing maybe 3 weeks before each event including the friday before so only 2 days you can test before a meeting just not 3 weeks prior to an event being held a that particular track. Thoughts????

I think that will just mean even more expense as people will probably go to more club rounds on tracks they don't normally run on to get track time before Nationals roll around

[CHOPPA]

ya no the thing that makes me laugh the most is everyone seems to pick on the sbk class re the cost but im willing to place a bet the codgy and jason easton have spent more money on there f3 championship than most of us sbk guys???? The most expensive part of racing as all ready listed is tyres and travel go to a controlled tyre and stop any testing maybe 3 weeks before each event including the friday before so only 2 days you can test before a meeting just not 3 weeks prior to an event being held a that particular track. Thoughts????

Yeah a limit on tyres and a control tyre would help, 3 sets total for sat and sun. I have been using 2 new sets and 1 second hand set and its been ok. Thats atleast a 2.5k saving. My season has been nearly affordable, i wouldnt have spent much more then any of the 600 riders

[Drew]

Pretty sure I could afford to do more racing if I was prepared and booked ahead of time. Preparation is one of the most important things about bike racing and I suck at it, (so do you Sloan, sort ya shit out).

[Nonbeliever]

Bottom line is - the stock idea wont change a lot of those primary costs. However the stock idea combined with a few other ideas might though.
Glen

Absolutely

[scracha]

what i have all ways liked as a dumb idea would be have say 3 zx10s 3 r1s 3gixer thous and 3 cbrs and 12 riders no friday practice a controled tyre and you pull your key out of a hat at riders brief and thats what you race that weekend and you cant race the same bike again now that would sort out some arguments lol

Oh goody...I can start another "Keys in the jar" rumour.

Isn't that kinda what they did with the old Virgin R6 cup in yurrop?

Riders SBK cheapo championship:- Dyno first 3 bikes + 2 at random. Anyone >10bhp vs stock gets booted. Any bike <15Kg from stock gets booted. Simple, cheap.

Question:- How are they checking that traction control anti wheelspin type electronictrickery isn't being used?

gixerracer vs chop :- my money's on the chopmeister...but only at Puke and mansfeild short track.

[Drew]

gixerracer vs chop :- my money's on the chopmeister...but only at Puke and mansfeild short track.

Have you taken up smoking pot man? Sloan's really fuckin good, and I'm sure with more time racing and learning this lark he'll have a shot at Craig sometime. But he is currently riding a bike that beat Craig in every race last year, with Craig on the same machine he ran last year. Yet with the exception of Ruapuna (where Craig had quite a shit weekend) he's being beaten.

I rate Sloan as having all the tallent in the world, but put them on matching bikes at the start line and Craig will dissapear at the moment.

Hope this hasn't offended you at all Soan, you're a good mate of mine, I'm just calling it how I see it.

[codgyoleracer]

If you were looking at cost controls in a business, then you would look at the largest expense first & try to deal with that, then the next & so on & so on. Playing with the small stuff is like "sacking the tea lady" to cut costs, which has buggerall effect - however pisses almost everyone off universally.

Re the F3 cost Versus SBK cost question -, It would create quite a problem with the wife as we would have to decide where to spend the spare 80K i had left over from the 100K SBK budget. (probably a nice holidatysomwhere ?. Maybe Fielding ?

Ive gone off Supebikes in the last few years - i couldnt handle the stardom and exposure, + the women flocking to you wanting you to father their children got boring in the end, I dont know how you keep it up...........

[Drew]

Ive gone off Supebikes in the last few years - i couldnt handle the stardom and exposure, + the women flocking to you wanting you to father their children got boring in the end, I dont know how you keep it up...........

You got sick of all that from being left out, for being a ginga didn't ya bro?

[Pussy]

Take Mrs Codgeyoleracer shopping in Halcome, Glen!
I tried suggesting that to Ken (KS34) for Mrs KS34, too.

You're welcome!

[KS34]

LOL one day I'll have the nuts to suggest it too! I dont think running all the bikes as open stock production will change anything at the front of the field, because the guys at the front are there for a reason, they are quick! but what it will do is bring other racers in, it has already brought Tony Rees back and he was only about 2.5 sec behind the top guys. I think some people forget that racers like Stroud, Sherriffs etc etc have been racing a looong time and have put alot of time and their own money into there racing before now and thats why they have the factory rides its not that they got picked out of a hat and if any of us had been picked we would be at the front of the field.

[gixerracer]

[QUOTE=Kickaha;1129674089]I'm suprised that travel is, ok we're only doing 4 rounds but our spend for that is $632 total on the ferry for van, trailer + two people,$400 in flights $500 in accomodation $400-500 on gas, so about $2K, = $500 per round



yes but that comes down to choice to go and do those club days so that is up to them and the club days are often in the winter time when the tracks are either wet or so cold that there is zero value for testing anyway so not much point at all

[gixerracer]

[QUOTE=codgyoleracer;1129674274]If you were looking at cost controls in a business, then you would look at the largest expense first & try to deal with that, then the next & so on & so on. Playing with the small stuff is like "sacking the tea lady" to cut costs, which has buggerall effect - however pisses almost everyone off universally.

Re the F3 cost Versus SBK cost question -, It would create quite a problem with the wife as we would have to decide where to spend the spare 80K i had left over from the 100K SBK budget. (probably a nice holidatysomwhere ?. Maybe Fielding ?

my honda certainly does not owe the owner 100k even after 2 seasons