More rorts from the Nats

[SPman]

You're thinking of the 1990's benefit cuts under National?

When they saved the country from a $5,000,000,000 deficit, left to them by the previous Labour government? You know - a whopping 19% of Crown Income at the time. It's thanks to the tough calls they had to make then as NOW that the Labour party had a decade of surpluses to waste away.

History repeating itself?

A Labour Government in name only! The same arseholes trying to call some of the shots now. I notice the Nats didn't recind any of Roger Douglas's policies, but built on them, to effectively fuck NZ in relation to most other countries in the OECD.

[Pascal]

The same arseholes trying to call some of the shots now. I notice the Nats didn't recind any of Roger Douglas's policies, but built on them, to effectively fuck NZ in relation to most other countries in the OECD.

I would like to point out to you that the last decade has seen a Labour government in power. National has been in for what, a year? Don't expect any change to happen over night. It will take them time to undo the fuckups of the Labour government.

[freedom-wedge]

And yet, despite the recession and being handed a country in terrible shape thanks to our incompetent previous government, confidence is heading up, more New Zealanders are staying here than are leaving and in general things appear to be on the up and up.

Are the agendas really the same or is that simply the last gasps of a dying religion?

Sorry it took me a while to respond, I had to take a long think about your last comment, I suppose your right in a way, Labour had started to behave more like fundamentalists, in layman’s terms they certainly fed NZ a lot they knew was not good, I worry these days about the beurocrats that are not voted out by an election who keep on steaming with certain agenda, the buzzwords change but the desired outcome doesn’t. The current Gov are supporting manoeuvres to lesson public impact on the decision making process in many area’s, removing our voice when it becomes to obstructive or costly, The previous lot were equally aware and added supreme arrogance to the mix. I think if anything is slowly dying, it is the right to be defiant in the face of absurdity no matter who is leading

[Skyryder]

McClay qualifies for 12 taxpayer-subsidised domestic flights a year with a 90% subsidy but it is alleged he has been double dipping - taking the flights and also invoicing charities for the driving mileage costs.
From

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/docu...-3395972/video


Once again I'm amazed at those that defend this man when it is 'alleged' that the very same person has been rorting them.

Still , excuses excuses.


Skyryder

[oldrider]

Sorry it took me a while to respond, I had to take a long think about your last comment, I suppose your right in a way, Labour had started to behave more like fundamentalists, in layman’s terms they certainly fed NZ a lot they knew was not good, I worry these days about the beurocrats that are not voted out by an election who keep on steaming with certain agenda, the buzzwords change but the desired outcome doesn’t. The current Gov are supporting manoeuvres to lesson public impact on the decision making process in many area’s, removing our voice when it becomes to obstructive or costly, The previous lot were equally aware and added supreme arrogance to the mix. I think if anything is slowly dying, it is the right to be defiant in the face of absurdity no matter who is leading

True!

It's getting easier for them to stay in the trough and harder for us to remove them!

Voted out and straight back in by the back door! MMP = Mickey Mouse Politics!

[Skyryder]

True!

It's getting easier for them to stay in the trough and harder for us to remove them!

Voted out and straight back in by the back door! MMP = Mickey Mouse Politics!

One of the fundamentals of MMP was that Electorate MP’s could be on the party list. While this does appear to be unfair the purpose of this was to maintain some degree of experience in Parliament. One does not have to look far with the current government to see how MP’s with little or no experience perform.


Skyryder

[MSTRS:Me]

One of the fundamentals of MMP was that Electorate MP’s could be on the party list. While this does appear to be unfair the purpose of this was to maintain some degree of experience in Parliament. One does not have to look far with ANY government to see how MP’s perform.

Fixed that for ya...

[oldrider]

One of the fundamentals of MMP was that Electorate MP’s could be on the party list. While this does appear to be unfair the purpose of this was to maintain some degree of experience in Parliament. One does not have to look far with the current government to see how MP’s with little or no experience perform.


Skyryder

C'mon, nobody can really tell the difference between the government of the last nine years and the current one!

Or even the last 50 years for that matter!

The net result is, everything costs "us" more!

MMP is a formula for mediocrity and the current politicians are milking it for all it is worth!

There will be a referendum on MMP but there will be no change, except to secure benefits for the politicians themselves!

[Pascal]

I think if anything is slowly dying, it is the right to be defiant in the face of absurdity no matter who is leading

No, it is not. We live in a democracy. We can vote in anybody we choose. I'd certainly never cast a vote for a Labour government again. And it's looking highly unlikely that I'd vote for a National government either. I agree with a few of the Green party's policies, but because they're such Labour party lapdogs and so far removed from their core principles I don't consider them a good choice. Although, now that Bradford is gone they might actually start moving away from their Communist tendencies and start focussing on what they're good at.

If enough of us STOP voting for National / Labour, they won't be in power. You can't get a clearer message than that.

But, you have to deal with voter apathy, the blind partisanship of some (Looks at Skyryder) and so forth. It's not going to happen easily.

[Skyryder]

But, you have to deal with voter apathy, the blind partisanship of some (Looks at Skyryder) and so forth. It's not going to happen easily.

The problem with the above is that you link both voter apathy with myself who still adheres to his core political values. I take great pride that I am not a ‘swinging voter’ who is manipulated by PR and ‘spin.’

You clearly have not been following my posts. I was and still am a fierce critic of Labour’s China Trade Agreement that the Nats have also endorsed.

I have on occasions been critical of Goffs leadership as well.

That is hardly the blind partisanship you accuse me of.


Skyryder

[MisterD]

now that Bradford is gone they might actually start moving away from their Communist tendencies and start focussing on what they're good at.

I seriously doubt that. If anything it's the departure of Jeanette "Mrs Nice" Fitzsimmons that will see them move further towards being hard-left finge loonies. I've $10 says they won't be in the next parliament.

If enough of us STOP voting for National / Labour, they won't be in power. You can't get a clearer message than that.

But, you have to deal with voter apathy, the blind partisanship of some (Looks at Skyryder) and so forth. It's not going to happen easily.

The problem is that a decent chunk of the main parties respective votes are people picking the lesser of two evils and voting against the other party...

[SPman]

But, you have to deal with voter apathy, the blind partisanship of some (Looks at Skyryder) and so forth. It's not going to happen easily.

Blind partisanship! I think not! Perhaps, like a lot of people who believe in a fair and equitable society, his utterances may seem, to those who disagree with them, as such. If he is anything like me, he will have found many of the actions of the last Labour government contrary to that position and spoken out against them (he did). Personally, I consider the last Labour Government to have moved to a centre right, authoritarian position and was appalled at many of the actions they took, selling out some of, what I would consider core values, to please or attempt to bribe sections of voters, who would never normally vote for them, and alienating many of those who would normally vote for them.
I didn't vote for them, but then, the party I did vote for, sold out for a few trinkets, so they are fucked, as well, as far as I'm concerned. Labour however, still have a better regard for working people and did more for them during their tenure, than many "anti Helen" shrills would ever admit.

The fact that the Right wing media (and yes, like most "Western" countries these days, the mainstream media in NZ is decidedly right wing, money focussed, inane and authoritarian) is even starting to sometimes question the fringes of many of the more bizarre, ill considered, greedy and corrupt legislation being carried out, or proposed by the current government, shows just how incompetently bad they are!
And speaking of corruption.....the Nats used it blithely to describe the Labs (They aren't right and left, they are centre right/even more right) over......election spending (which affected every party)....speeding tickets......charity paintings.........etc etc, and were "PC gone mad" and "Nanny state", for bringing in conservation measures like water saving shower heads and efficient light bulbs and bringing in laws to prevent "smacking' kids being used as an out for serious assaults, yet, when the Nats have Rodney engineer a coup for business to take over Auckland as a fore runner to mass privatisations, propose to raise GST on everyone so they can cut the top tax rate for their mates, propose to mine conservation land to the benefit of a few business colleagues, have business interests in firms that will profit in new legislation (Canterbury, watch out, you are going to get a taste of Auckland's woes very soon) and generally blatantly bluster, lie and dissemble about every bill they've passed (usually under urgency, so no one can examine them closely before they are raced through the house), the response you get from our friends on the right is ‘Big deal, Politicians lie, get over it’
From the outside looking in, NZ politics is fast becoming a very dysfunctional and disturbing scenario, with the foxes in charge of the hen house while the hens squabble over a few grains of wheat - and hens don't normally do too well in those conditions.............

[MisterD]

Jaysus, I hardly know where to start....

Personally, I consider the last Labour Government to have moved to a centre right, authoritarian position and was appalled at many of the actions they took, selling out some of, what I would consider core values, to please or attempt to bribe sections of voters, who would never normally vote for them, and alienating many of those who would normally vote for them.

How you can possibly describe a party that taxed and spent our money with the gusto that Clark and Cullen exhibited as "centre-right" mystifies me. They might have been right of your politics but this National lot are barely the right (in both senses) side of the centre line.

The fact that the Right wing media (and yes, like most "Western" countries these days, the mainstream media in NZ is decidedly right wing,

Oh come off it, the western world has a single right-wing media outlet in Fox news...coincidentally rated the most trustworthy media outlet.

And speaking of corruption.....the Nats used it blithely to describe the Labs (They aren't right and left, they are centre right/even more right) over......election spending (which affected every party)....speeding tickets......charity paintings.........etc etc, and were "PC gone mad" and "Nanny state", for bringing in conservation measures like water saving shower heads and efficient light bulbs and bringing in laws to prevent "smacking' kids being used as an out for serious assaults, yet, when the Nats have Rodney engineer a coup for business to take over Auckland as a fore runner to mass privatisations, propose to raise GST on everyone so they can cut the top tax rate for their mates, propose to mine conservation land to the benefit of a few business colleagues, have business interests in firms that will profit in new legislation (Canterbury, watch out, you are going to get a taste of Auckland's woes very soon) and generally blatantly bluster, lie and dissemble about every bill they've passed (usually under urgency, so no one can examine them closely before they are raced through the house), the response you get from our friends on the right is ‘Big deal, Politicians lie, get over it’
From the outside looking in, NZ politics is fast becoming a very dysfunctional and disturbing scenario, with the foxes in charge of the hen house while the hens squabble over a few grains of wheat - and hens don't normally do too well in those conditions.............

Right-oh...keep taking the meds SP

[avgas]

Oh lord this thread is the best laugh ever.
Its like peas telling carrots they are too bland.

[Skyryder]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-faces-the-axe


There has been a long and sustained attack on Ecan starting with Gary Moore and the Chch Council. The overthrow of Burk was nothing more than a gathering of water interests in a coup d’état. The chicanery of some councilors in this matter is on record. Now that they see the writing on the wall; their removal and replaced by a commissioner all but one are vehemently opposed to the Creech report. Pat Harrow who has recently been subject to a conflict of interest review, (cleared) is the only councilor in favor of a commissioner.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Creech report is nothing more than an excuse by this govt to usurp the role of a democratically elected regional in favour of the water interests of Canterbury. Similar charges have been leveled at Hide in respect of what he is doing in Auckland; subverting the democratic process. Add this along with Key’s comments that the Nat’s are going to ‘remove the roadblocks to Canterbury’s water and SPman’s comments in respect of devolving the democratic institutions of Canterbury’s local body government has a ring of truth.

It's pretty obvious to me who' taking the meds on here . They need to come off as whatever they are on is fogging their judgment of reality and reason


Skyryder