Peter Bethune / Sea Shepherd - possible long holiday in Japan

[rainman]

Anyone involved in a group that sinks boats - its just a matter of time until the become murders.

Like those who sunk the Ady Gil, I suppose.

[JimO]

Like those who sunk the Ady Gil, I suppose.

i think you will find it sunk many hours after they rammed the nips, the sea shitheads could have saved it but there isnt as much publicity in that eh..........fukkem

[rainman]

i think you will find it sunk many hours after they rammed the nips, the sea shitheads could have saved it but there isnt as much publicity in that eh..........fukkem

Ae you naturally stupid or do you just enjoy making shit up on the Internet?

Actually never mind, I'm too tired and cranky to argue with reflexively anti-green ideologues. Have a good evening, I'm going to get some ZZZZ's.

[oldrider]

1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaling vessel “Sierra”, causing considerable damage.
“Sierra” survives attack.
1980: The IWC at its meeting in Brighton, United Kingdom, assigns high-level protection to two
Canadian Government delegates after Watson threatened to kill them for voting against a
moratorium on sperm whales. Delegates given Royal Canadian Mounted Police protection until
their return home to Canada.
1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility. Investigation
shows limpet mines used to blow up the vessel.
1981: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and
Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga.
1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea
Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads”
(rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies … petrol was
poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an
attempt to set the petrol on fire.”
1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik,
Iceland, and for malicious damage to a whaling station. (This act of violence was carried out after
Iceland stopped whaling in line with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.) Attack
carried out by Sea Shepherd members Rodney A. Coronado and David Howitt. (Coronado linked
to Animal Liberation Front and arrested eight years later by United States FBI for his part in an
ALF attack on Michigan State University research laboratory.
Charges included use of an
explosive device, theft and arson.)

If we are lucky, they will charge him with being a party to Terrorism, and will get 30 years.

And in future the JDF will simply sink SS on sight.

Just because you think you are right does not make breaking the law the right and proper thing to do!

Myself as an ex seafarer, I hope he gets what he deserves for his obnoxious stupidity!

As for the Japanese whaling in our neighbourhood waters, I say, let them stay in their own "territorial" waters and catch the whales that stray into them!

Greenpeace are just terrorist pretenders disguising themselves as saints, bloody wankers IMHO!

In other words, I am against the pointless Japanese whaling program but even more against the behaviour of Greenpeace activists!

[JimO]

Ae you naturally stupid or do you just enjoy making shit up on the Internet?

Actually never mind, I'm too tired and cranky to argue with reflexively anti-green ideologues. Have a good evening, I'm going to get some ZZZZ's.

are you sure im wrong

[rainman]

are you sure im wrong

Neither of us could possibly be absolutely sure as we weren't there. But I'll bet you have zero basis for the claims you are making, and that they are motivated by an irrational hatred of the participants rather than anything resembling fact.

So, stupid.

[Pixie]

Ooooh,it's Bethune?
I thought it was Buffoon,I think I need a hearing test

[Jonathan]

Just because you think you are right does not make breaking the law the right and proper thing to do!

Myself as an ex seafarer, I hope he gets what he deserves for his obnoxious stupidity!

As for the Japanese whaling in our neighbourhood waters, I say, let them stay in their own "territorial" waters and catch the whales that stray into them!

Greenpeace are just terrorist pretenders disguising themselves as saints, bloody wankers IMHO!

In other words, I am against the pointless Japanese whaling program but even more against the behaviour of Greenpeace activists!

I agree, and I am also thoroughly against the Japanese "scientific" whaling programme. But, I am happy for all the pesky, smelly hippies to be on a boat far away, hassling the agents of an irresponsible nation bent on reaping the ocean of anything that moves, rather have them back home moaning about GM soybeans or whatnot. Sure the Greenies are interfering with these chaps' work and being generally a nuisance for them, but if it wasn't for the moratorium then they wouldn't have a job anyway - because there would be no whales!

And what gives Japan the right to continue whaling while the rest of the world does not. Sure if the Japanese alone were whaling to strict quotas then it could be sustainable - but not if the whole world decided it is okay. Why should the rest of the world be safeguarding whales just for the Japanese to eat them? They have already stripped their own territory of sea life and continually cross into New Zealand waters where we still have fish as our fisheries industry is more restrained and regulated.

[Pussy]

Ooooh,it's Bethune?
I thought it was Buffoon,I think I need a hearing test

No.... you're quite correct!

[JimO]

Neither of us could possibly be absolutely sure as we weren't there. But I'll bet you have zero basis for the claims you are making, and that they are motivated by an irrational hatred of the participants rather than anything resembling fact.

So, stupid.

irrational hatred?? dont think so in fact i have a relative on the Steve Irwin so i think you wil find i know a bit more than you

[McJim]

Like those who sunk the Ady Gil, I suppose.

Exactly. Pete Bethune caused the damage to the Ali G and then Sea Shithead made it sink to get a story. So it's EXACTLY like them....coz it is them!

It's all about publicity, their latest reality TV contract and selling units of whalemeat. You don't actually think an organisation run by an American actually gives a shit about environmental issues do you? For christssake they are the biggest polluters per capita outside of New Zealand (people don't realise how much we pollute coz theres 9 tenths of fuck all population here)

[avgas]

Whale god still hasn't handed me a beer yet.

[Skyryder]

Just because you think you are right does not make breaking the law the right and proper thing to do!

Myself as an ex seafarer, I hope he gets what he deserves for his obnoxious stupidity!

As for the Japanese whaling in our neighbourhood waters, I say, let them stay in their own "territorial" waters and catch the whales that stray into them!

Greenpeace are just terrorist pretenders disguising themselves as saints, bloody wankers IMHO!

In other words, I am against the pointless Japanese whaling program but even more against the behaviour of Greenpeace activists!

Sometime it does. The test is, is breaking the law the lesser or greater than what the law protects. Those who protest on a particular issue and are prepared to break the law to further their protests clearly believe that breaking the law is the lesser offence than allowing the continuation of the status quo.

History is filled with causes where individuals broke the law and usually at great personal risk. The Fugitive Slave Bill of 1850 is one example as is the more recent example of those that offered assistance to the Jews of Germany, the Suffragette movement I have mentioned in earlier posts is another case in point. Such people act on a higher principle than the rule of law; their own conscience and integrity becomes the final arbiter of their actions as is evident in the Waihopai activists. Individuals of society as a whole go along with the majority voice and it is only when society shifts it’s position on an issue that those that oppose now endorse.

I do not want to go into the rights and wrongs of the boarding as this has been covered in another thread but clearly Bethune believed that the boarding is the lesser of the two and he acted accordingly. On this issue I will say that there was some ‘dramatics’ designed to attract the media attention, as serving the notice could have been achieved by other less dramatic methods. It has achieved the desired effects and bought the Japanese whaling to the forefront of the world stage. That this man is fully prepared for the consequences says more than I can on his behavior.

Like most protests history will be the final arbiter in determining their actions but I would be surprised if Greenpeace will be assigned the role of terrorist and given the Australian attitude on whaling as against our own viz a viz McCully we will never close the gap between their ethics and ours on this issue

Many who oppose Greenpeace do so on the grounds of their protests, and not what they are trying to achieve. This is a fundamental error of those that believe that Greenpeace is a terrorist organization.

Many of their activists are young and in the full prime of youth and as such show a passion to their cause along with a vigor that is lost with age.


I for one am grateful for such people from the past as I am for those that display the very same attitudes today, for without them the world would be worse off than it is now and hopefully because of their actions today be better tomorrow and in the future.

Skyryder

[JimO]

Sometime it does. The test is, is breaking the law the lesser or greater than what the law protects. Those who protest on a particular issue and are prepared to break the law to further their protests clearly believe that breaking the law is the lesser offence than allowing the continuation of the status quo.

History is filled with causes where individuals broke the law and usually at great personal risk. The Fugitive Slave Bill of 1850 is one example as is the more recent example of those that offered assistance to the Jews of Germany, the Suffragette movement I have mentioned in earlier posts is another case in point. Such people act on a higher principle than the rule of law; their own conscience and integrity becomes the final arbiter of their actions as is evident in the Waihopai activists. Individuals of society as a whole go along with the majority voice and it is only when society shifts it’s position on an issue that those that oppose now endorse.

I do not want to go into the rights and wrongs of the boarding as this has been covered in another thread but clearly Bethune believed that the boarding is the lesser of the two and he acted accordingly. On this issue I will say that there was some ‘dramatics’ designed to attract the media attention, as serving the notice could have been achieved by other less dramatic methods. It has achieved the desired effects and bought the Japanese whaling to the forefront of the world stage. That this man is fully prepared for the consequences says more than I can on his behavior.

Like most protests history will be the final arbiter in determining their actions but I would be surprised if Greenpeace will be assigned the role of terrorist and given the Australian attitude on whaling as against our own viz a viz McCully we will never close the gap between their ethics and ours on this issue

Many who oppose Greenpeace do so on the grounds of their protests, and not what they are trying to achieve. This is a fundamental error of those that believe that Greenpeace is a terrorist organization.

Many of their activists are young and in the full prime of youth and as such show a passion to their cause along with a vigor that is lost with age.


I for one am grateful for such people from the past as I am for those that display the very same attitudes today, for without them the world would be worse off than it is now and hopefully because of their actions today be better tomorrow and in the future.

Skyryder

this is the same Pete Bethune who ran down a fishing boat and murdered a crewmember back when his boat was still Earthrace.......

[Skyryder]

this is the same Pete Bethune who ran down a fishing boat and murdered a crewmember back when his boat was still Earthrace.......

As per usual you do not let facts get in the way of crazy allegations.

One Bethune was not at the wheel of Earthrace at the time of the accident so could not have run down the Guatemalan fishing boat as you claim.

Secondly murder requires intent and this was an accident.

Thirdly the crew of Earthrace were exonerated after a ten day enquiry.

Piss poor response form you Jim jim. I had expected better but on second thoughts...................... perhaps not.

Skyryder