Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ

[avgas]

Welcome to New Zealand , an official subsidiary of China. Big John and his cronies are now watching YOU! Nanny state anyone? Do we know the Aussies are laughing at us?

Not really they had a worse internet filtration in place a year ago........trust me, I was there.

[avgas]

The problem about doing anything seriously about it is that it is not that easy. You only have three principle options as I see it:

1) Armed revolution TODAY - not going to happen, people are generally too well of and therefore complacent.

2) Work the system from the inside (i.e. get into politics) - alas, all evidence suggests that either you have to be cynical and dishonest to get into a position of actual political power or you will become that way during your "rise" to power. (And those who don't and actually engages in politics that are contrary to populist appeal become demonised.)

3) Establish a political watchdog, an independent entity which engages in critical journalism in order to highlight the potential dangers of proposed initiatives - as such fulfilling the role that the press is supposed to take care of.

Personally I think 3) is the better option - and sorely needed in NZ. Alas, it would take skilled journalists, lawyers and managers who doesn't have to worry about finances related to the political climate. But if anyone knows of someone who would be happy to throw in the order of $1 million a year at such a project, maybe something could be done.

Wasn't 3 what supposedly "scoop" was 5 years ago......then they too sold their soul to the devil.

I actually prefer 1.......just for once.
Seems all the other big changes in NZ happened when we had a revolution.
Its a shame there wasn't just a Hikoi just to say "Fuck you" to the govt.

[SS90]

Oh yes - pron makes up less than 1% of all internet traffic -

I'm well above the average then!

[SS90]

Don't stop talking about this guys........ you are all demonstrating exactly why Herman Gouering was right in the statement he made in 1947.......

Perhaps it would be wise to put more value on our freedom we have just now, such as our freedom to put our opinions in a public forum such as this........ because once we lose that freedom we will never ever get it back.

[mashman]

Don't stop talking about this guys........ you are all demonstrating exactly why Herman Gouering was right in the statement he made in 1947.......

Perhaps it would be wise to put more value on our freedom we have just now, such as our freedom to put our opinions in a public forum such as this........ because once we lose that freedom we will never ever get it back.

Hmmmm... can't see them shutting down KB turning out well...

[kwaka_crasher]

Hmmmm... can't see them shutting down KB turning out well...

Yeah. We might organise a single, orderly ride to parliament to have a moan then just accept it when they just half shut it down.

[mashman]

Yeah. We might organise a single, orderly ride to parliament to have a moan then just accept it when they just half shut it down.

(snigger chortle snort) Well they are used to doing things by halves...

[Brian d marge]

If you want to know what IS happening to NZ NOW watch what has and is happening to Venezuela now and the American response to Chavez (?)

Borrow the money, pay it back or pay it back cheaper if you privatize ,,,not on my Nelly said Charvez

or words to that effect

I vote Chavez , or the NZ Equivalent ,,,,,,,oh we don't have one ,,,oh well I'm sure that nice man John Key will look after my family

Stephen

[Pixie]

Freedom began it's major decline with the birth of socialism, the United Nations and the New World Order!

Where is Helen Clark these days?

She is a Socialist working at the United Nations creating a New World Order

[Pixie]

The "kiddie porn" gambit is merely designed to suppress debate on the more important issue of eroding personal liberties and freedom of speech.

And it is an effective measure. Once labeled as a kiddie fiddler, even if untrue, a person's reputation is permanently besmirched. Sounds like a pretty good reason to many just to shut the fuck up and let the forces of evil and darkness have their way.

The "$77 on every rego" gambit

[Mudfart]

ahhh where would we be if we didnt have the ultimate bully on our backs? Our own govt.
Threatening us, with stigmatising us with the greatest, (or worst) of modern day societies taboos.
It really is a great tool to supress the revolution isnt it? FEAR. Divide and conquer, its all they have left.
They were scared shitless of Napoleon and the french rev, Hitler and Mussolini the fascists, Stalin and the red rev, Mao and the chinese rev, whats his name and the vietnam rev, the korean rev, the list goes on. The only hidden factor here, is that with all these govts that were shut down using WAR to defeat them, they all had highly effective secret police who stamped pretty damn hard on political corruption and misappropriation of the peoples money.

Yep, democracy is the winner, where every polititian gets their hands on the peoples purses.
They can sell all the state owned enterprises they want, there STILL wont be enough money at the end of the day. A legitimised theifs' greed knows no bounds.

[rwh]

It really is a great tool to supress the revolution isnt it? FEAR. Divide and conquer, its all they have left.
They were scared shitless of Napoleon and the french rev, Hitler and Mussolini the fascists, Stalin and the red rev, Mao and the chinese rev, whats his name and the vietnam rev, the korean rev, the list goes on. The only hidden factor here, is that with all these govts that were shut down using WAR to defeat them, they all had highly effective secret police who stamped pretty damn hard on political corruption and misappropriation of the peoples money.

I'm a bit confused as to what you're saying here. That all these nasty governments weren't as bad as they seemed, because they had secret police keeping them honest? I don't think that's a view I've heard before.

It seems to me that political corruption and misappropriation of the people's money is best acheived by openness and transparency - the exact opposite of having a police force that works in secret, suppressing information.

They can sell all the state owned enterprises they want, there STILL wont be enough money at the end of the day. A legitimised theifs' greed knows no bounds.

Well, of course - if you flog off a profit-making venture for short term cash, you earn less money. If it wasn't profit-making, or at least had the potential to be, you couldn't sell it. (Of course if you (govt) choose to operate it in a non-profit manner (as opposed to merely operating it at a loss through incompetence), you can take the social benefits instead.)

Richard

[SS90]

I'm a bit confused as to what you're saying here. That all these nasty governments weren't as bad as they seemed, because they had secret police keeping them honest? I don't think that's a view I've heard before.

It seems to me that political corruption and misappropriation of the people's money is best acheived by openness and transparency - the exact opposite of having a police force that works in secret, suppressing information.



Well, of course - if you flog off a profit-making venture for short term cash, you earn less money. If it wasn't profit-making, or at least had the potential to be, you couldn't sell it. (Of course if you (govt) choose to operate it in a non-profit manner (as opposed to merely operating it at a loss through incompetence), you can take the social benefits instead.)

Richard

Selling SOE's is another matter entirely, it pains me too se that successive governments have simply flogged of publicly owned assets to offshore investors, only to see them turn them into massive profit making entities, that should have been done by the government in the first place. Hell, we have Australian and Asian companies having Kiwi's slaving away in their own country, while the profits go offshore!

What the Hell?

[freedom-wedge]

Wasn't 3 what supposedly "scoop" was 5 years ago......then they too sold their soul to the devil.

I actually prefer 1.......just for once.
Seems all the other big changes in NZ happened when we had a revolution.
Its a shame there wasn't just a Hikoi just to say "Fuck you" to the govt.

That’s exactly what’s needed, faces in their face, they will not stop the roller coaster now its started and so much legislation is being pushed through without contest why would you if its going your way. We are only 4 million and it’s hard to be heard, real hard when they would rather not hear you. I hear from so many people and most comment that most government departments are a law unto them selves and fear not public opinion in individual form. I would say I have to agree. There has to be some sort of pressure group that can shake its head and cause a government to stop and take notice, I think you just might see a rebellion of sorts because of the mining the parks, I’m all for doing things to drive our economy, but listening to Brownlee speak about it I feel already that they aren’t telling the truth. They are interested in the rare earth minerals, read about them and what they are used for because china is slowing production right down and they are the biggest exporter of them, We will not do as well as we think we will from the endeavour other bigger countries will and perhaps they are even behind the move to stem the shortages, as usual at most it will be cents for NZ in a multi billion dollar deal. I’m all for cashing in on anything that benefits us as a nation, only a few will benefit from this as usual I feel.

Its a little off topic but there are like minds active in this thread, do a little quick research on rare earth minerals and work it out, I’m interested in what people have to say. I haven’t said my last on the filter nor on the right to state a case against any under handed manoeuvre by the our Government.

Camels nose under the tent indeed, I had to laugh at that comment, so true though aye what

[mashman]

It's New Zealands good old too hard basket again... Having said that though it's the same in every country... If the dipshits at the top can't be arsed spending the time and money required to bring SOE's up to date and running efficiently, they just find a buyer (at great expense), well, investor, and the investor puts the time and effort into it and turns it into a profit making business... We're quite happy to have govt lead us these days and provided they're looking at Health, or Education, or the current hot potato of the moment, then there's carte blanche to throw as much resource at the issue as they feel is necessary and just say we underestimated the project... We buy into that. If you're constantly blowing budget and timescales at work what happens? You get fired! You're shit at your job... get the fuck out... INSTANTLY...