Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ

[SPman]

The Privacy Act and Human Rights Act will limit any invasion of privacy unless you are a threat to national security. Then they need warrants to bug you anyway.

No they don't!



.delete damn you!!!! ...I should have read the rest of the page...

[SPman]

Unfortunately the answer to that question is quite simple - they were voted in.
Unfortunately at present there is no alternative to voting IN politicians currently however. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way they get in.

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.

[Ixion]

Unless you are doing something wrong on the nett, Why worry.

Because if "doing something wrong on the net" doesn't currently include "disagreeing with the government", then you may be sure that it soon will.

It is a truism of existence that governments, given something that has a capability to restrict the freedom of the people will use it.

[SPman]

What Les said.

http://techliberty.org.nz/

If it's like the filter being implemented here in Aus, you can kiss goodbye to real high speed internet - it is acceptable, apparently, to have an up to 80% reduction in speed, when implementing the filter......

The Aus IT minister, Stephen Conroy, has already stated, that Bit Torrent filtering is already being considered (http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/1...ittorrent.aspx), so, for all of you who say "it won't affect me".............

[Toaster]

No they don't!



.delete damn you!!!! ...I should have read the rest of the page...

Hehe, we all do it! Yeah interesting to see the finer points on this come out. Learn something new every day! Had coffee today with a chap from IA on this. gave me a 50 page document to read on the new legislation coming affecting changes around NZ identity and information theft/fraud etc etc.................

................ I think I will just go for a ride instead.

[freedom-wedge]

Because if "doing something wrong on the net" doesn't currently include "disagreeing with the government", then you may be sure that it soon will.

It is a truism of existence that governments, given something that has a capability to restrict the freedom of the people will use it.

This was my worry, people would naturally focus on the kiddie porn reasoning behind its intended use, and have no issue with it, personally I think they should bait those sorts of sites and whoop ass when the maggots show up for the material, could this be the careful use of subject matter that most of us find disgusting in order to gain our acceptance of an extreme measure they have taken ???.

[mashman]

What Les said.

http://techliberty.org.nz/

If it's like the filter being implemented here in Aus, you can kiss goodbye to real high speed internet - it is acceptable, apparently, to have an up to 80% reduction in speed, when implementing the filter......

The Aus IT minister, Stephen Conroy, has already stated, that Bit Torrent filtering is already being considered (http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/1...ittorrent.aspx), so, for all of you who say "it won't affect me".............

Ok, i'll go with... 80% reduction WTF!!! the only reason you would do that is because you want to slow down the flow of traffic (ok not the only, you'd need that room for a giant backup pipe)... for what reasons i wouldn't have a clue... information overload maybe.

[Hitcher]

The "kiddie porn" gambit is merely designed to suppress debate on the more important issue of eroding personal liberties and freedom of speech.

And it is an effective measure. Once labeled as a kiddie fiddler, even if untrue, a person's reputation is permanently besmirched. Sounds like a pretty good reason to many just to shut the fuck up and let the forces of evil and darkness have their way.

[mashman]

It is a truism of existence that governments, given something that has a capability to restrict the freedom of the people will use it.

we are but downstairs after all...

[Mikkel]

It's unbelievable that this is just quietly sneaking under the radar. The NZ media are again letting us all down with their mind-numbingly populist focus on lost puppies, celebrities and other emotion driven "news".

I don't know why anyone gives a shit - just go around it. (unless you are looking for kiddie porn, in which case, burn in hell you scumbag)

It's utterly disturbing how many actually have this attitude. Have we already eroded the very useful skill of critical thinking so far that the majority can not see the potential dangers of censorship.

I give a shit, because although I can easily enough get round it (now - future, maybe not), but there are hundreds of thousands of people in this country who not only do not have the techie skills to get round it, but don't even realsie that the truth is being massaged before their eyes. Once a society's government starts defining what people are allowed to know and think, that society is in BIG trouble. We just crossed a MASSIVE divide.

This is the real issue - and not just that, given time and a "quiet working environment" this information "security" can always be ramped up so less and less techies can get to any information at all.

Its called an interception warrant. To be lawful yes they do.

Not if they suspect terrorism or other "subversive" activities are afoot.

'Suspect terrorism' is the totalitarian regime's 'Get out of jail free' card of the new millennium.

Why are you guys so worried about?

Some of us are worried that young kids, like yourself, are potentially going to grow up in an environment that will preclude you from ever being able to realise the answer to your question. Or, further down the track, even ask it in the first place.

The "kiddie porn" gambit is merely designed to suppress debate on the more important issue of eroding personal liberties and freedom of speech.

And it is an effective measure. Once labeled as a kiddie fiddler, even if untrue, a person's reputation is permanently besmirched. Sounds like a pretty good reason to many just to shut the fuck up and let the forces of evil and darkness have their way.

DISCLAIMER: In the following "kiddie porn" is used as a term to describe any item deemed to be subversive and evil by the establishment. Feel free to substitute with "gay porn", "porn", "terrorist intent", "public dissent", "swear words", "social criticism", "information", et cetera ad nauseum.

Anyone who think "kiddie porn" is going to go away just because we censor it (effectively sticking our heads in the sand) is a fool. "Kiddie porn" pre-dates the internet by quite a few centuries. However callous this may sound, in the specific case of pedophilia, I'd much prefer the perverts to get their kicks of easily distributed digital photographs rather than having to get creative about it around my neighbourhood. Just saying...
Unless anyone can provide factual evidence to suggest that the supply of "kiddie porn" drives the demand for "kiddie porn" - and not the other way around, as is the case for most commodities - I'd have to be argue that any and all filtering is counterproductive.

[Brian d marge]

No but there is the American ifluence , IMF , etc

NZ could feed and house itself in Style if it weren't for "export everything" cos thats were the money comes from


Stephen

[mashman]

Some of us are worried that young kids, like yourself, are potentially going to grow up in an environment that will preclude you from ever being able to realise the answer to your question. Or, further down the track, even ask it in the first place.

If that's the case... why aren't you Wise Owls doing anything about it? Us younguns are busy paying taxes and paying your retirement

[Mikkel]

If that's the case... why aren't you Wise Owls doing anything about it? Us younguns are busy paying taxes and paying your retirement

Fuck that is hilarious.

I'm pretty far from the retirement age - even if EJK is significantly further from the retirement age.

As for doing something about it - well, here we are, trying to raise public awareness about what is a really slippery slope. I'll also be voting with my wallet - i.e. go with an internet provider who doesn't adapt the filter. That's about all you can do really... short of giving politics a shot that is.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

This has been trialled for some time. DIA claim that only sites containing child porn will be filtered, of course thats what the Aussies claimed, and they filtered child porn, legal porn, political opinion, and basically anything they wanted !

Like Aussie, the NZ censor refuses to tell you what he is censoring, because while chid porn is the excuse, its really not the long term target.

Add in the new police search powers, and a few other laws that have been paced that went under the radar, and a few others they are trying to push through... hey presto a "Police State" just what the Luminati want for your "NWO"... and they are already talking of tagging every one with micro chips... then have been testing it on dogs for how long... people are already warming to the idea... dumb One in four Germans wants microchip under skin

I will bet that down the track NZ filters will filter everything and filter out opinon sites, freedom of speech, truth sites and the like to dumb down the population, standard media already do this, you never get the full story only what they want to feed you...

well you were warned, but most people don't see the whole picture and happy living in the matrix of lies because it feels secure... well it's not...and it will get worse... I wish it was just for child porn but you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be... and they are just using it for an excuse to spy on, and track and dumb down the population

As I have said before it doesn't matter who you vote for... they are all just puppets... you have find the puppeteersif you want change... and you have to look at the big picture... but then that will put a lot of people off because all of a sudden the word conspiracy... yes I know I will get a few heckles from this post... but meh at least I warned you.

the best place to hide something out in the open and under your nose...

[rwh]

Unless anyone can provide factual evidence to suggest that the supply of "kiddie porn" drives the demand for "kiddie porn" - and not the other way around, as is the case for most commodities - I'd have to be argue that any and all filtering is counterproductive.

My understanding was that the opposite was assumed - the demand drives the supply, making it worthwhile exploiting children to make the porn. If nobody can get it, there's no reason to make it.

I think that's a reasonable argument; I'm against the secrecy of this system though.

Richard