Mining and Labour trying to fuck it

[cave weta]

Providing of course the tailings dam holds.

The great thing about the new backfill method of mining is that the tailings dam is not holding any waste rock- that is all used in backfiill .
the tailings dam just holds the residue from the extraction process which is minimal.

[dipshit]

The great thing about the new backfill method of mining is that the tailings dam is not holding any waste rock- that is all used in backfiill .
the tailings dam just holds the residue from the extraction process which is minimal.

I know. Still the Macraes tailings dam(s) aren't exactly what anyone would call "minimal" after 20 years of the processing plant running 24/7.

And such tailings dams are high in metals and other nasties from the plant doing its job of extracting the metals out of the rock.

Though you don't always need the processing plant and its tailings dam in the same area as the mine itself. Macraes on the east coast for example is also processing the concentrated ore from its west coast Reefton mine.

[Skyryder]

Yes but technology is so much better today and methods are so much improved that in many cases you can't even tell they have been there!

In fact I can take you to places where the area is much better than before the mining was there!

Yes so can I.................but the difference is that it is no longer 'natural.' The bottomline on this OR is that the National Parks were established for perpertuity to remain a a natural state.. Now we either believe that there should be some parts on NZ that are sancrosanct or we do not. To me there are no ifs buts or maybes on this. It's black or white on the no shades or grey.

Both of us have lived in NZ where the National Parks have remained undisturbed.................I personly believe that becasue of this there is an obligation for 'our' generation to prevent any ecological damage of any kind................so that the future generations can enjoy what we have.

To be fair I am unaware of how much mining Labour has allowed but I am not aware that there have been any mines in schedule four land.

I am by no means certain of this but if true there is no way, in my opinion, to further National claims, as Gerry Brownlee has done with his release of Labourt consents, to add addditional mines on schedule four land.

The old adage two wrongs do make make a right


Skyryder

[T.W.R]

T.W.R - you need to step into this centuary and see current mining practices.

you're as amusing as the other twat

[dipshit]

To be fair I am unaware of how much mining Labour has allowed but I am not aware that there have been any mines in schedule four land.

National likes us... http://www.odt.co.nz/news/business/9...million-ounces

[oldrider]

Yes so can I.................but the difference is that it is no longer 'natural.' The bottomline on this OR is that the National Parks were established for perpertuity to remain a a natural state.. Now we either believe that there should be some parts on NZ that are sancrosanct or we do not. To me there are no ifs buts or maybes on this. It's black or white on the no shades or grey.

Both of us have lived in NZ where the National Parks have remained undisturbed.................I personly believe that becasue of this there is an obligation for 'our' generation to prevent any ecological damage of any kind................so that the future generations can enjoy what we have.

To be fair I am unaware of how much mining Labour has allowed but I am not aware that there have been any mines in schedule four land.

I am by no means certain of this but if true there is no way, in my opinion, to further National claims, as Gerry Brownlee has done with his release of Labourt consents, to add addditional mines on schedule four land.

The old adage two wrongs do make make a right


Skyryder

There is over a third of New Zealand held under DOC control, that is just nationalisation by stealth! IMHO

[T.W.R]

The great thing about the new backfill method of mining is that the tailings dam is not holding any waste rock- that is all used in backfiill .
the tailings dam just holds the residue from the extraction process which is minimal.

What do you think is contained in the residue from extraction ????

It's called overburden and a high percentage of the time has a very high content of fireclay which is highly acidic..... It's used for haul roads because of it's ability to shed water quickly and compacts like concrete the wash from it is more acidic than cowshit and rusts out metal ultra fast. The haul roads around a mine are kept moist to minimise dust but because of that any of the work utes that use the haul roads continually rust out in no time...... brand new double cabs having totally rusted out wheel arches within a year etc

[oldrider]

I have a friend with a farm that has old style workings and tailings all through one of his paddocks, it's a bloody mess!

He has this problem and I had some junk, so I have put it together to go through the old tailings and see if anything is left and hopefully clean up the site!

This is our recovery system prototype, still a few bugs to tidy up but it's looking promising so far, it recovers all the heavies that we put through it.

We are still working on a classifying system that will classify the material and recover fine stuff to process while at the same time enabling us to replace all the waste back into the paddock in as close as original state as we can.

The old hydro monitors really used to tear the countryside apart and leave a bloody great mess but they really had to work hard to get the gold that they got, they must have been tough old buggers!

Their water supply ran out and could not be regained, so the old miners packed up and left for Gabriel 's Gully down in Lawrence, they were Chinese, so we don't expect to find much left over in the tailings but there other little pockets worth visiting during the process!

We have a tank of water on the back of my wee truck that tops up the circulating system as we go. ( well that's the intention and it seems OK so far)

Here are a couple of views of our "captive river" during early trials.

Of course at the current rate of progress I may not live long enough to see the end of this project but it's good fun in the meantime!

[Skyryder]

I have a friend with a farm that has old style workings and tailings all through one of his paddocks, it's a bloody mess!

He has this problem and I had some junk, so I have put it together to go through the old tailings and see if anything is left and hopefully clean up the site!

This is our recovery system prototype, still a few bugs to tidy up but it's looking promising so far, it recovers all the heavies that we put through it.

We are still working on a classifying system that will classify the material and recover fine stuff to process while at the same time enabling us to replace all the waste back into the paddock in as close as original state as we can.

The old hydro monitors really used to tear the countryside apart and leave a bloody great mess but they really had to work hard to get the gold that they got, they must have been tough old buggers!

Their water supply ran out and could not be regained, so the old miners packed up and left for Gabriel 's Gully down in Lawrence, they were Chinese, so we don't expect to find much left over in the tailings but there other little pockets worth visiting during the process!

We have a tank of water on the back of my wee truck that tops up the circulating system as we go. ( well that's the intention and it seems OK so far)

Here are a couple of views of our "captive river" during early trials.

Of course at the current rate of progress I may not live long enough to see the end of this project but it's good fun in the meantime!

You do realize that your are practicing agrarian reform. It’s been known by many names but socialism is the most recent and is of co-operation.

I just knew you had not gone over entirely to the ‘dark side’ OR

The Americans call it 'being neighborly.'

[pete376403]

There is over a third of New Zealand held under DOC control, that is just nationalisation by stealth! IMHO

But what is the alternative? Selling the land? Apart from Eric Watson, not too many New Zealanders could afford it, so it would be sold to foreigners, and woulld be closed to us (eg like Shania Twains place, (nice chunk of Otago) or Lillybank station,at one stage owned by one of Suhartos family .
At least if DoC contrl the land, we can at least visit.

[oldrider]

But what is the alternative? Selling the land? Apart from Eric Watson, not too many New Zealanders could afford it, so it would be sold to foreigners, and woulld be closed to us (eg like Shania Twains place, (nice chunk of Otago) or Lillybank station,at one stage owned by one of Suhartos family .
At least if DoC contrl the land, we can at least visit.

True in so many ways but did you ever have access to Shania Twain's place before she bought it? You probably did not!

Shania Twain's place (Motatapu Stn) is open to the public for specific sporting functions and activities annually and there is a public (DOC controlled) walking track right through the property!

This was not the case before Shania Twain and her husband bought the property, so there is actually more public access now than there was before she bought it!

There are plenty of DOC controlled areas that are restricted or you can't go onto as you please and without express permission to be there!

As you say, the number of high priced dairy farms that appear to be coming under pressure from the banks currently has to be a worry because there are no NZ'rs with the backing to buy them anyway and the bloody banks don't give a stuff who buys them either!

This is something we here are not accustomed to and it makes us very nervous but by the same token, many New Zealanders have made a practice of buying up properties overseas, what's the difference?

Ownership of the land shouldn't really matter because they can't take it away with them and they still pay tax and employ local labour to run them, Motatapu Stn has poured millions into the local economy and they are far from finished with their development program yet!

[mashman]

As you say, the number of high priced dairy farms that appear to be coming under pressure from the banks currently has to be a worry because there are no NZ'rs with the backing to buy them anyway and the bloody banks don't give a stuff who buys them either!

Victor Cattermole? Supposedly a very successful, global business man... he's the only one I can think of off of the top of my head...

[Winston001]

I see Gerry Brownlee is now saying Solid Energy (a govt SOE) can participate in any mining. That's a win for the taxpayer and answers our earlier question about why NZ couldn't do its own mining.

Not that I think mining the conservation estate is the right thing to do - leave it alone. The benefits are unknown and the risks to one of the few diverse pristine environments left on the planet too great.

[u4ea]

anyone pissed off about the price of cheese.

No but butter is pricey..the healthy alternative to eating what was originally made to be engine grease..margarine!

I am just waiting for the Maoris to come to the table...

haha they are just sitting on their larrels and waiting Im sure

Ok, I am speaking here as a person who moved into a mining town knowing nothing about it and have ended up with a job that entails taking people around the current mining operations that Newmont has in Waihi. Yes they have a huge Hole in the middle of town but this is not the future of mining in NZ. There are restrictions of noise, dust and Vibrations in place that are hard to work under and its not the practical way these days. Favona which the current under ground mine in waihi is based in the base of Gladstone Hill which is in waihi. the portal is 5 x 5 and you would never know it existed if you had not heard about it or seen it when on the mine site. Current underground mining doesn't leave open shafts and voids in the land as they take all the waste rock ( rock that contans no gold or silver in this case) back under to back fill which means there is no need to have mass waste rock embankments . Newmont are very open to the public and the media have done the whole scaring people thing by showing shots of martha mine ( the huge open pit) when ever mining is mentioned. This is because it is easily accessable and close to Auckland and is dramatic ...

As for the toxic tailings well I urge you to come on a tour and actually see what is at the top of the tailings embankment here....There are birds and the first inland breeding area for the NZ dotterel. You could drink the water ( full of duck shit)... come see what modern mining is about before you dismiss the idea it is not about fucking our land thats for sure....

Economic growth for a community has to be good

DOC are already flat out "poisoning" our National Parks right now and that's OK is it?

There will be very strong control on any future mining activity, besides, there are already mines in the parks now!

They were there under the Labour governments too but they (Liabour) are not interested in the facts when they are on an political hysteria bent!

truth hurts

Then did you know that although they are proposing removing 7,058 hectares, they are also proposing adding 12,400 hectares to Section 4? A net gain.

But best of all? From March 2010 to May 2010 you get to have your say. Refer to page 36 onwards. It gives you options on how to handle your submission to the process.

Interesting

.Bollocks!.

yes prolly just like earths recourses to be drained my friend!

I am no tree hugger but do enjoy the natural landscapes and the wild life that is out there . I do plant trees on my 1/4 acre of the planet. I am tho a human ..I need a home and food and natural recourses to survive and keep warm with. To survive I rely on income and sustaining a lifestyle.I also like gold and diamonds ...If mining means jobs for NZers Im all for it so long as they do what they say they will to maintain and improve the mess that is left behind..

[Winston001]

I'm generally a Nat voter but have never held Gerry Brownlee in high regard. His plucking numbers out of thin air over the supposed mining numbers simply confirmed my view he is a populous lightweight.

It's difficult to ever know the mood of a nation but on this issue I think the govt got it badly wrong. They should have quietly gone ahead with the survey, given that it is useful information, without the jubilant public announcements. Now there is a fair chance most kiwis are against the mining no matter how small scale it is. We should remember that Labour approved many mining applications with no public awareness at all.