Smacking Bill again

[Marmoot]

You missed a case:
- If 2 people are guilty and would formerly have escaped prosecution under S59, then the law is working.

You're missing my case. If they are, then how come there's only two while during such period so many kids were abused, despite this law being said as "functioning as intended".

[Magua]

we have one of the highest murder rates per capita in the world.
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Perhaps you'd like to substantiate this claim? Because frankly that's a load of shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

[Tank]

I smack my kids. Sometimes just to remind them who's the boss.

Sadly - the oldest boy is now 6'2" and pretty strong - I'm beginning to think about retirement.

[Mudfart]

Perhaps you'd like to substantiate this claim? Because frankly that's a load of shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

yeah thats a good source, 2 murders in 2005, and thats it? my information was read in the herald on sunday, and whilst perhaps exaggerating, we were somewhere around the middle of the graph, however there were a lot of countries well behind us, with much higher populations.

[rainman]

I smack my children....my 18yr old...How often do I smack my children. Maybe once a week, perhaps twice.

You smack your 18 year old? Dunno if you're brave or stupid!

Seriously, how old are the kids that you are beating? And do you honestly expect me to believe that your hitting them once or twice a week means you have no other options, and does not mean that you may have anger and control issues?

You're missing my case. If they are, then how come there's only two while during such period so many kids were abused, despite this law being said as "functioning as intended".

Because I understand what the law does. This law can not eliminate child abuse (as should be obvious to anyone with an IQ in double digits). Re-read my post above.

[Marmoot]

This law can not eliminate child abuse (as should be obvious to anyone with an IQ in double digits). Re-read my post above.

exactly, so what's the point.

P.S.
Maybe it's too bad my IQ is not double-digit. It's triple-digit. 142 to be exact, according to the latest official test. But my sympathy to you if yours is. Or, maybe it is why you're missing my point. Let me know if you want me to explain in simpler way. I can try my best.

[rainman]

exactly, so what's the point.

P.S.
Maybe it's too bad my IQ is not double-digit. It's triple-digit. 142 to be exact, according to the latest official test. But my sympathy to you if yours is. Or, maybe it is why you're missing my point. Let me know if you want me to explain in simpler way. I can try my best.

OK, perhaps my being rude was uncalled for - my apologies, it's been a shit day. Week, probably.

But my point is clear - this act will not eliminate child abuse, and I don't think it was ever credibly claimed that it would. It removes a (possibly over-used) defence for child assault - which is surely a good thing in itself? You're the one claiming it's the cure to child abuse (or it has no value).

And don't believe IQ tests too readily. I had a Wechsler test a few years ago. Very instructive.

[Marmoot]

But my point is clear - this act will not eliminate child abuse, and I don't think it was ever credibly claimed that it would. It removes a (possibly over-used) defence for child assault - which is surely a good thing in itself? You're the one claiming it's the cure to child abuse (or it has no value).

I didn't. I was just highlighting the fact that it did neither reduce and/or discourage child abuse, and/or help prosecute the perpetrators of child abuse.
i.e., It is meaningless, pointless, and potentially prosecuting the wrong crowd.

P.S.
Apologies accepted. Short week like this can be hectic for everyone.

[Usarka]

Why does this matter so much to some people?

Because it's shit legislation that could have been written better on a fag packet that was used as an emergency panty liner by aunt melda as she sunk 15 rum and cokes while playing the pokies.

[crazyhorse]

Sounds like a game - can I smack Bill too ????

How many times can we smack him? Do we all get to have turns? Won't he get sore? When should we stop? LOL

[Magua]

yeah thats a good source, 2 murders in 2005, and thats it? my information was read in the herald on sunday, and whilst perhaps exaggerating, we were somewhere around the middle of the graph, however there were a lot of countries well behind us, with much higher populations.

You would see that it was two people per hundred thousand if you actually read it, not two people in the nation.

[mashman]

Yes my 18yr old has been smacked by me... the last time about 12+ years ago... good jump to the wrong conclusion though... Do you class a smack is a full blooded pelt on the arse? or is that a beating. How do you class a half strngth smack though, against a bum protected by a nappy? how about a quater strength smack? eight, sxteenth... it's either zero tolerance or back the fuck off to be honest. Do you really think I'm that callous, that I would beat my kids... I love them whole heartedly and hopefully they'll grow up with a polite, caring and respectful manner towards people and their opinions... you bring your perfect children up the way you like... i'll bring mine up the way I like and in a way that isn't damaging to them.

[Pixie]

Leave William alone

[rainman]

good jump to the wrong conclusion though...

You may have missed that smiley thingy at the end of my sentence.

Do you really think I'm that callous, that I would beat my kids... I love them whole heartedly and hopefully they'll grow up with a polite, caring and respectful manner towards people and their opinions... you bring your perfect children up the way you like... i'll bring mine up the way I like and in a way that isn't damaging to them.

No, honestly, I don't, and I'm sure you love them deeply and will indeed bring them up the way you see fit. But once or twice a week is a bit... real, y'know?

I'm just saying there are options you may not be considering. And that getting your blood pressure up over this law change reduces the likelihood that you will consider them, as it is very polarising.

And my kids aren't perfect - no humans are - but their imperfections aren't best addressed by me hitting them.

[mashman]

You may have missed that smiley thingy at the end of my sentence.

oh may I have ..

But once or twice a week is a bit... real, y'know?

Maybe you don't spend enough time with your kids ... Honestly, that once or twice will be spread across 3 children... but I'm pretty sure there are some kids out there who receive just as much love and attention from their parents and receive harsher penalties... like taking their love away from the child (should be outlawed)... maybe smacking them once a day... and I bet the kids will turn out with very similar sunny dispositions...

I'm just saying there are options you may not be considering. And that getting your blood pressure up over this law change reduces the likelihood that you will consider them, as it is very polarising.

So now I'm a bad parent am I ... My wife and myself discipline our children very differently (maybe it's the inconsistency )... she uses the reasoning, the naughty step, timeout, shouting and any other method she can lay her hands on... I offer the kids an alternative and they stop doing what they're doing... IF, my wife finds a way to discipline the kids without "physical" intervention... then I will adopt it...

And my kids aren't perfect - no humans are - but their imperfections aren't best addressed by me hitting them.

Depends on the child.

This legislation means I can be banged up, because I'm mistreating my children... and it's the intolerance of the law maker that can turn me into a criminal... and it's wrong