Bloody motard riders

[meteor]

Couldn't believe it... I registered and paid to do a rider skills course at a track. Got the reply from the course people... Sorry, as you ride a motard you can't do the course, we've had motard riders before and they piss people off so we've banned all motard riders... geez how fair is that? So go on, fess up, who was it?

[R6_kid:Me]

Sorry you can't come as you might hurt other peoples egos. LOL!

[Hotpoker]

Was that the one at Hampton on saturday organised by the Hamilton club? Good thing that there were no spaces left for me!

There are still spaces for Hampton on sunday (normal track day) but it is $199 instead of $75 which is a bit arse.

[98tls]

Fair call,you lot just end up getting in the way.

[EJK]

lol I've never seen a motard bashing thread in my entire KB life.

[sinfull]

Fair call,you lot just end up getting in the way.<>

Now wasn't that fella feeling no pain at the end of that lil ride ?? Can't say how he felt when he came too though !!!

[98tls]

Now wasn't that fella feeling no pain at the end of that lil ride ?? Can't say how he felt when he came too though !!!

Hope he slept for awhile poor bugger,really was a horror eh.Ouch.

[Bulldog]

Are you serious?! Send me the details of the organising club or person you dealt with. I'm sorry but that's just plain prejudice. Saying all motard riders will be the same as some others? Seriously send me the details. I'll be making some phone calls.

[DesmoDAZ]

The guys or group of guys that started the big moan about tards on the track really need to get on one and find out just what they are missing.
Is there any record of just how many motard riders have crashed road race style riders since the inception of motards?
Just how many road race style riders have crashed other road race style riders over the years???? give up, well it's shit loads.
Ego's are funny things indeed.
Take the tards out of bears and you have a pretty depleated line up.
Take the tards out of everything else and your left with what? 10 in the Superbikes, 12 in the 600's, 15 in F3 and Pro twins combined, 25 in street stock. What happens with the 55 and growing in numbers every season of tard riders?

I only ride track days and bought a tard to do just that.
I have however followed and watched m/c racing the length and breadth of this country for over 35 years now and one thing is for sure, MNZ and riders of other classes cannot afford to ignore the rise in popularity of motard style bikes on normal road race tracks. Just how many purpose built motard tracks do we have in this country?

Some of the big reasons motards are so successfully popular is the undisputable fact that they are fun to ride, they are fast enough out of ther box but not too fast (not everyone wants to go 300kph) for the aging body of riders that choose to purchase, ride and race them, they stand up to an off so much better than a rr machine which again equaits to $$$.

In a sport that has so dramitically changed from the heady days of the Castrol 2 and 6 hours, the fantastic and reasonably cheep days of 250 production racing, how big were those grids?
Imagine a production class of a 450 size machine now days just what would be the bike of choice? Not a normal"" road bike thats for sure.
The cheepest production class out side of streetstock is now Pro twins, Production what?? Every one knows just how much you have to spend to be at the sharp end of a so called production class now days, Front end, rear shock, exhaust, power commander, the list goes on.

Sure, if the Motard riders want to compete in F3 or indeed some in pro twins let them, I think the ruling of knee down and NO foot out in these classes is safe and fair if that is what it takes to combine different bike platforms to get grid numbers up and produce exciting racing.

Back to the opening post of this thread, it would seem rather short sighted of the organisers of the said track day event ( rider training ) and to say they have had complaints from other riders about motard type bikes, shame on you as fellow motorcyclists.

[cold comfort]

Toatally agree. Have motarded my DR specifically to ride on track days ECONOMICALLY. Had so much fun on myrecent outing to Levels. I would be really pissed to be excluded by such a pompous devisive ruling.

[slowpoke]

I reckon it's those big wide bars.............you guys are just farkin' wide road blocks so if yall just fitted skinny bars then you'd only be half the problem

Nah, seriously motards are caught betwixt and between. Thanks to the light weight/big brakes combo motards are quick into and 'round corners......but are bloody slow down most of the straights, having low power and shitty aerodynamics.

As a result you'll wanna pass people into and 'round corners (when most folks like to have a lil' elbow room, especially if inexperienced) but then you'll be flat out struggling to make 160 down a decent straight. Depending on the circuit a 600/1000 could be going 100kph faster on the straights.

The thing is a lot of motard pilots know they are slower and can't resist having a peek over their shoulder and drifting half way across the track while they do it. I've personally experienced it when I've come steaming along Taupo's back straight with a closing speed in excess of 100kph and also seen someone else run into the dirt when a motard has shied away from the bike coming up the inside and removed the realestate the guy going round the outside was going to use. Big speed differentials are tricky and trying to take evasive action at +250kph is easier said than done.

It's a tricky situation: go in a slower group and get frustrated with the slower cornering/no passing rules or go in a faster group and get strafed by bikes with 2 -3 times the power. I can't see an easy answer.

[meteor]

DesmoDaz and Slowpoke what you both say makes perfect sense... motards are getting more popular but for safety should stick to racing other motards... My OP is about the reasoning behind banning ALL motard riders from a skills course designed to save lives on the road because a couple of previous riders on motards caused 'issues' with others. Can't quite get my head around it... Maybe it's a Hamilton thing, a committee round the campfire and 6 fingers strumming the banjo sort of decision! Discrimination against a style of bike?! .... next thing ya know people won't like Aucklanders!

Anywho onward and upward... ACC sponsored the course so as I've been banned I'll have to ask if they'll reduce my premiums, earner levies, Registration and petrol taxes...

[glegge]

Damnd motard's.. i got dicked by one on the cliffhanger hillclimb. grumble... dirty old dirt bike beat me. not fair.. sulks off to corner... :slap:
But i dont think they should be banned, I should probably try one... but cant bring myself to buy a dirt bike i cant take up the fire breaks.

Couldn't believe it... I registered and paid to do a rider skills course at a track. Got the reply from the course people... Sorry, as you ride a motard you can't do the course, we've had motard riders before and they piss people off so we've banned all motard riders... geez how fair is that? So go on, fess up, who was it?

[DesmoDAZ]

I reckon it's those big wide bars.............you guys are just farkin' wide road blocks so if yall just fitted skinny bars then you'd only be half the problem

Nah, seriously motards are caught betwixt and between. Thanks to the light weight/big brakes combo motards are quick into and 'round corners......but are bloody slow down most of the straights, having low power and shitty aerodynamics.

As a result you'll wanna pass people into and 'round corners (when most folks like to have a lil' elbow room, especially if inexperienced) but then you'll be flat out struggling to make 160 down a decent straight. Depending on the circuit a 600/1000 could be going 100kph faster on the straights.

The thing is a lot of motard pilots know they are slower and can't resist having a peek over their shoulder and drifting half way across the track while they do it. I've personally experienced it when I've come steaming along Taupo's back straight with a closing speed in excess of 100kph and also seen someone else run into the dirt when a motard has shied away from the bike coming up the inside and removed the realestate the guy going round the outside was going to use. Big speed differentials are tricky and trying to take evasive action at +250kph is easier said than done.

It's a tricky situation: go in a slower group and get frustrated with the slower cornering/no passing rules or go in a faster group and get strafed by bikes with 2 -3 times the power. I can't see an easy answer.

Your spot on the mark Slowpoke, I really do agree with you "almost" bar width between my st4s and sxv is 38mm not a hell of a lot wider, I have spent considerable time and $$ to get my sxv 5.5 to pull through to 230kph at the end of ruapuna front straight, and it will get there pretty bloody quickly, I do here you and always experience the woooosh of the 600 and litre boys mowing me down at the 1/2 straight mark... I don't bother looking back and stick to my line every time.
We all must agree there is a vast difference between a race and a track day but surely a pass rnd the outside is better and safer than someone trying to stuff a wider bike up the inside. Not to mention a lot more fun and satisfying.

I still think a big part of the whole issue here is an ego thing, lets say a few of the boys started getting round up by a quick rider on a Kawasaki concourse or a big fat fast BMW with cylinders as wide as the average tards bars, We could have another discipline called tourtards or motouring I bet those bikes would get dumped on as well, they would be too ugly or too comftable. People on sports bikes detest being passed by anything Full Stop. I've seen guys kill themselves on the road to prove this.

Track days should be a pretty safe and mild way to enjoy a day on your bike.
Racing should be hard fast and a heady way to enjoy your bike but it will never be all that safe, for cripes sake it's racing and and everyone wants the same bit of track; every one out there should want to win and ride as hard as possible to win, Thats racing, if you want 100% safe stay in bed but watch out for toast crumbs and a burn on the lip from a coffee thats too hot.

Tards racing tards would seem the logical way to go, being refused a ride at a training day is just BS,

However if I am at a Track day I promise to only pass you rnd the outside with plenty of room, I'll even show you a front wheel to let you know I'm there first, I promise to out brake you and get into 3rd gear while your still clicking into second, but most of all i promise to let you blow by me 2/3 the way down the straight so I can do the above all over again, Why, becauce it so fricken fun. LOL

[onearmedbandit]

Anywho onward and upward... ACC sponsored the course so as I've been banned I'll have to ask if they'll reduce my premiums, earner levies, Registration and petrol taxes...

Ooo, I wouldn't do that. They'll look into why Motards are banned, deem them more dangerous than any other form of transport known to man, and up goes your motards rego 100 fold.