Police killing us again!

**Foxzee** · 19th April 2010, 20:33

Originally Posted by Katman

Wow, you really have your finger on the pulse, don't you?

At least someone has a pulse..the family of Paul would right now be giving anything to get his back....

**Jonno.** · 19th April 2010, 20:33

Originally Posted by Renegade

i feel sorry for the dead guy and his family, it sux, it is the reality of riding though, out for a blat and them wham, its happened to most of us, severity varies obviously.

I would like to know if any member of the public that caused a serious crash has had to pay 30k in reparation to the victim of their crash, because thats what the last cop that knocked those two bikers off had to pay.

Id hedge my bets that NO member of the public would be stung 60k in total for reparation and loose their job on top of it.

For instance if your local council worker crashes the company car whilst at work, cause serious injuries to two bikers, would they get stung 60k reparation and loose their job? not a chance aye, but a cop gets that, Fair? fuck no.

This cop in this new crash clearly fucked up, and you know hes hurting right now, hes certainly lost his job, and hes in for hell for some time and at the end of the deserves it, basic driving stuff up, but like others have said human error.

Its a game of odds, they spend all day on the road, doing U turns and the like all the time 1 in 10,000 rolls of the dice are going to end bad.

i still would like to see fair treatment for all, regardless of vocation.

Jesus Christ, human error? It's someone's life you fuck wit.
There are other people than cops who drive for a living and none of them expect to kill anyone or even have an accident.
When you sign up to enforce traffic you kindof have to take the high ground in that you're a well educated driver with specific training, highly unlikely to cause an accident, much less a fucking stupid one like this.

60k and he loses his job boo fucking hoo someone lost their life.

**BikerDazz** · 19th April 2010, 20:38

Originally Posted by Jonno.

Jesus Christ, human error? It's someone's life you fuck wit.
There are other people than cops who drive for a living and none of them expect to kill anyone or even have an accident.
When you sign up to enforce traffic you kindof have to take the high ground in that you're a well educated driver with specific training, highly unlikely to cause an accident, much less a fucking stupid one like this.

60k and he loses his job boo fucking hoo someone lost their life.

Dead right mate.

Condolences to the family and friends of the rider, my thoughts are with you.

**98tls** · 19th April 2010, 20:39

Originally Posted by sinfull

Think you might find we will ! Heard mention he was a 35 yr mot man so, A/ not a young hot head but a seasoned traffic cop and B/ not a wanna be traffic cop who's just come off a beat in the CBD !
I'd put money on the guy being in tears today !

Absolutely,and plenty more days to come i would imagine.In his time hes no doubt done a lot of good and no matter wether hes found guilty/innocent of yesterdays actions fact is this will be a burden he will carry for the rest of his life.Theres no winners in this,its just bloody sad for all concerned.

**sinfull** · 19th April 2010, 20:41

Crazy steve !!! Crazy steve where are you lol come out whereever you are ! Cat got ya tongue lol oooo red means ya love me hahahaha wooohoooo i touched your nerve today too aye hahahahahahaha god i love my life right now !! You must be feeeeeeling so low about this moment in time aye haha gixerracer chaser for one lap lol !!!

**chrispy121** · 19th April 2010, 20:42

firstly this saddens me deeply that some one has needllesly lost their life.
In the road code and law it is illegal to overtake on a double yellow line maybe the police standards committe should create rules like no u turns on double yellow lines with out 100 metres clear visibility? that would have avoided the accident maybe

**Damantis** · 19th April 2010, 20:44

Safer communities, together.

**Foxzee** · 19th April 2010, 20:47

Originally Posted by sinfull

Crazy steve !!! Crazy steve where are you lol come out whereever you are ! Cat got ya tongue lol oooo red means ya love me hahahaha wooohoooo i touched your nerve today too aye hahahahahahaha god i love my life right now !! You must be feeeeeeling so low about this moment in time aye haha gixerracer chaser for one lap lol !!!

OI..big boy...now this is left field.....hahahaha

**miloking** · 19th April 2010, 20:48

Originally Posted by Damantis

Safer communities, together.

And dont forget to blow on the pie

**sinfull** · 19th April 2010, 20:59

Originally Posted by Foxzee

OI..big boy...now this is left field.....hahahaha

Haha prob end up in PD but what the hell, he'll read it ! Quoted me in another (motott 1st of may) thread and big noted himself a little ! But to bring it on topic, i'd say he's just a cop hater who hate's me right at this moment lol and i aint even a cop !
You know i'd quite happily eat humble pie if he wanted to give (and gave) me the learn on the track ! But to stalk me and red rep me for saying this MOT cop will prob be in tears about what happened, then i will quite happily publicly show him as the fool he is !

**candor** · 19th April 2010, 20:59

Originally Posted by MSTRS

The cardinal sin (yet again) of doing shit in a blind spot...
How many times/investigations must there be, before a clear instruction is given..."Do not stop or turn without several hundred metres clear road in both directions"

Instruction was given after the October 2009 police complaint authority inquiry my org Candor long pressured for. Radio NZ said they doubted Police would reform and so did I as they are at the bottom of the speed greed chain. For revenue more MCs die & riders.

The ignored key recommendation was to avoid chasing youth and MCs as MCs more vulnerable and dying too much in chases I was over the moon at the recommendation but it is flouted with bloody results daily. Stop cop!

But the Police felt it necessary to conduct their own review after Goddards and decided to ignore the sound independent recommendations. Quota pressure, but I saw a small retreat from this as my fave target Paula Rose admitted on news last night that 120,000 learner licence infringements a year is not reall achieving much. Oh except about 50 million... it seems Police may finally have the penny dropping re the misuse of their talent within a web set to max income, but the Economists like Joanne Leung at MoT just won't remove the performance pressure or environment to create highest quota fishing luck.

ANOTHER TRAGIC POLICY DEATH - i say boycott all traffic fines until a review is granted, 1/3rd already go unpaid - make it 100%.
See here for the background to the road safety chaos which some have familiarity with - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1004/S00195.htm
The only thing to do is erect a memorial to quota death stupidity and victims (donations sought) so the Govt can't continue to fudge and deny a National disgrace, the dead need dragging out in a central place to have impact - scattered crosses aren't communicating the scale.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Art/Other/a...-284871620.htm
See here regarding Road Trauma Day 17th August - all welcome to patake in honk a thon protest paying or otherwise. If you pay towards a National memorial to remind the Govt of its failure you get a cool certificate to put in the lou! Goal is 50G

October 2009 IPCA Police Pursuit Review - we worked long to get this!

MEDIA RELEASE: IMMEDIATE USE
AUTHORITY RECOMMENDS CHANGES TO POLICE PURSUIT POLICY

The Independent Police Conduct Authority has recommended that Police
amend their pursuit policy to provide clearer guidance to officers on
when a pursuit should be started.

The recommendation is contained in a Review of Police Pursuits, released
today. The review analysed 137 pursuits that were reported to the
Authority during the five years to 19 December 2008. During that period,
24 people died and 91 received serious injuries in Police pursuits.
About 2000 pursuits take place each year.

Most of the 137 pursuits were started over traffic offending, though 31
were started over known or suspected criminal offending (mostly car
conversion and other property offences). Relatively few pursuits
uncovered evidence of serious crimes other than those associated with
the offender's driving during the pursuit.

Most of the pursued drivers were young men, many of whom were unlicensed
or disqualified and had records of traffic or other offending.

"Pursuits can begin over relatively minor offending, or general
suspicion, and end in serious injury or death," said Authority Chair
Justice Lowell Goddard. "In such cases, the benefits from pursuing and
stopping an offender do not appear to have outweighed the risks.

"In our view, the Police pursuit policy could provide clearer guidance
for officers on when they may pursue. We have recommended that they
reconsider the policy, and have suggested that the risk to public safety
from not stopping an offender should be the principal factor justifying
a decision to pursue."

Contact:
Bernard Steeds, 0272 237 643

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**Renegade** · 19th April 2010, 20:59

Originally Posted by Jonno
"Jesus Christ, human error? It's someone's life you fuck wit.
There are other people than cops who drive for a living and none of them expect to kill anyone or even have an accident.
When you sign up to enforce traffic you kindof have to take the high ground in that you're a well educated driver with specific training, highly unlikely to cause an accident, much less a fucking stupid one like this.

60k and he loses his job boo fucking hoo someone lost their life."

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firstly, im not a fuck wit.

Secondly, if it wasnt human error, what would you call it?

Thirdly, the crash i referred to was not a fatal

Did you know that 60% of crashes in the Taupo district involve trucks aka professional drivers, of those 80% are fatalities....

**miloking** · 19th April 2010, 21:09

Guys did you read this: http://www.3news.co.nz/Default.aspx?...2637=1#comment

probably old news but what realy gets me is this bit:

Local resident and past motor racer Frank Wilkin heard the incident form his home and says the motorbike was travelling at a fast speed.

I heard this motorbike coming and thought, ‘Wow, that’s travelling fast,’ and as it came I heard just a fraction of a movement, deceleration and then this boom,” he says

Who the fuck is 3news to twist shit like that....also no offence Mr. Wilkin the Motor racer, i am impressed at your hearing abilities to recognize speeding vehicle merely from doppler effect!!! You should work for Police, you would be uselful so we would save taxpayers money on lazer guns!