Police killing us again!

[MarkH]

I believe you and agree with what you are saying, but my point is i would not dare to judge speed of a vehicle involved in fatal or any other inccident from hearing alone.
I could "guesstimate" that it was probably fast but i would have no clue if it was 100 or 120k/m and even so i believe its very bad manners to comment to media... "bad mouthing" and throwing guilt at someone who just died 5 minutes ago few meters away from me.
As i said dont people have any respect anymore?

I'd have to agree - just because the old duffer thought the bike sounded like it was going pretty fast it doesn't mean that he knows with enough certainty to declare to the news media that he knows it as a fact!

If the Police car was within 100m visibility the rider was travelling at the speed limit then yes definately to blame and the cop should be charged.

I would say that if the police car was turning where it wasn't safe to do so then the cop should be charged! We don't know what speed the bike was going, but even if it was 150kph then it still doesn't mean that the rider deserved to die! Sure the rider 'might' have had some part to play in his own fate - but the cop clearly played a role too and he should have known better!

If the rider & the cop are each 50% responsible then how does that mean that the cop should get away scott free and the rider lost his life? As far as I am concerned the cop should face the music for his role in this tragedy regardless of what speed the rider was travelling at.


I have also personally witnessed police officers breaking the law on the road, including a dangerous U-turn to give a motorist a telling off (no actual law broken by the motorist either, therefore no charges).

[nana_mac]

Read the link that I posted and go read both pages it states there that two were seen getting out of the police car.

[888mike]

Rest in peace Paul and ride on, and as for cops and thier eagerness to hand out tickets it is irelavent how fast the bike was travelling the fact remains he (the officer) pulled off an unsafe u turn and killed someone, I have had an idiot H/way patrol cop do this after me and when he got to me he was trembling with excitement and yes I was doin 139ks after passing a few cars but he was getting off on it and he had just pulled a u turn out of a line of moving cars so it's obviously common practice and this could hapen to any one of us on the road. So stay alert and be safe.

[Ixion]

So there are no previous incidents of Police careless driving causing biker deaths are there then Ixion, might want to retract your original claim and replace it with something thats actually true and that you have the figures for. Facts and figures rather than emotive false statements create a far more convincing argument.

Mate, nothing is going to satisfy you but the official police line - that the police are all Gods, that they are entitled to do whatever they wish no matter how dangerous, and that no one has ever been endangered (let alone injured or killed) by police bad driving. However, the press, the courts and the many instances referred to here all plainly contradict you. Given the choice between the police official position and reality, I'll go with reality.

It is precisely that attitude by the police, perfectly exemplified by you, that they can do no wrong, have never done wrong, that it is always the motorists/riders fault, and that the police will nevr accept any responsibility, that i find so offensive.

[miloking]

So there are no previous incidents of Police careless driving causing biker deaths are there then Ixion, might want to retract your original claim and replace it with something thats actually true and that you have the figures for. Facts and figures rather than emotive false statements create a far more convincing argument.

Stop using "motorcyclists" only as excuse...other people/motorists killed by cops also count, dont they?

Ok i dont have accurate numbers but even if you count only Mr.Brown, its 1 PERSON TOO MANY!

[Indoo]

It is precisely that attitude by the police, perfectly exemplified by you, that they can do no wrong, have never done wrong, that it is always the motorists/riders fault, and that the police will nevr accept any responsibility, that i find so offensive.

Might want to actually try reading rather than assuming then, given that I've already said that if the facts are what they appear to be then the cop in question deserved the condemnation he's getting.

The only issue I've raised is your claim that there was a high rate of Police careless driving killing motorcyclists, which appears to be blatantly false and something you've simply made up.

[bogan]

Might want to actually try reading rather than assuming then, given that I've already said that if the facts are what they appear to be then the cop in question deserved the condemnation he's getting.

The only issue I've raised is your claim that there was a high rate of Police careless driving killing motorcyclists, which appears to be blatantly false and something you've simply made up.

well with the examples given, doesn't it make it about 1 serious accident per year? When you consider these are the guys supposed to keep the road safe for us, it sounds bloody high to me!

[Kiwi675]

Already burnt it...........Cant remember if it was when I was trying to save the Forests and Birds from evil miners and the governement or if I wrapped it around some moron doing an MBA...................

[Kiwi675]

Good god will no one stop them???!!!!!
Quick hero of the internet - protect us all with your reporting!
God speed to you!

Thats right - you and me, we are 'US'.......and they, they are "THEM"
Go burn a flag hippie

Already burnt it...........Cant remember if it was when I was trying to save the Forests and Birds from evil miners and the governement or if I wrapped it around some moron doing an MBA...................

[avgas]

Already burnt it...........Cant remember if it was when I was trying to save the Forests and Birds from evil miners and the governement or if I wrapped it around some moron doing an MBA...................

definitely the former - your to lazy to give me a flag keyboard hero

[MSTRS:Me]

Fair enough, Indoo. You want facts to back up claims. In this instance there may not be facts about deaths (other than Paul Brown), but there's plenty of facts covering injuries right up to, but just short of, death.
The one fact is that we, and organisations like the police, carry on business based on beliefs rather than facts, much of the time. How do you explain the push for ticketing when compared to rising injury/death stats as anything other than a belief that more ticketing will drop the road toll. If that was a fact then more ticketing would mean less injuries/death. Empirical evidence more than suggests it is working the other way.
So, dealing with facts, how do you and the rest of the police defend this flawed approach?

[SPman]

If they are not thinking about their driving,they need to travel by bus.

That would apply to everyone on the road!

[CookMySock]

It is precisely that attitude by the police [trimmed] that they can do no wrong, have never done wrong, that it is always the motorists/riders fault, and that the police will nevr accept any responsibility, that i find so offensive.

I have been dealt to them first hand by this attitude. There is no point getting angry any more. Nothing will change.

I have suggested before, a "thumbs down to poor policing" campaign. Motorists and general public would use the the non-insulting thumbs down universal sign of disapproval to indicate that they are not happy with any poor policing policies or practices. Follow this up with bumper stickers etc.

I bet the cops would the message real quick.

Steve

[riffer]

Fair enough, Indoo. You want facts to back up claims. In this instance there may not be facts about deaths (other than Paul Brown), but there's plenty of facts covering injuries right up to, but just short of, death.
The one fact is that we, and organisations like the police, carry on business based on beliefs rather than facts, much of the time. How do you explain the push for ticketing when compared to rising injury/death stats as anything other than a belief that more ticketing will drop the road toll. If that was a fact then more ticketing would mean less injuries/death. Empirical evidence more than suggests it is working the other way.
So, dealing with facts, how do you and the rest of the police defend this flawed approach?

Candor's already dealt with this. Greatest ENFORCEABLE Risk, vs Greatest Actual Risk. Very interesting reading, once you sift through the bad writing (they really need a good editor).

[MSTRS:Me]

Nothing like repetition to make a point eh?