Police killing us again!

[Pixie]

So there are no previous incidents of Police careless driving causing biker deaths are there then Ixion, might want to retract your original claim and replace it with something thats actually true and that you have the figures for. Facts and figures rather than emotive false statements create a far more convincing argument.

Yawn...give it a bone

[Headbanger]

I had a conversation with the Ed about it today.
He is in the 'Ban all Pursuits' corner and the next KIWIRIDER editorial might well be carrying that line.
I disagree. I think without the disincentive of getting caught on the job there will be twin-turbo-no-springs-or-numberplate-cap-on-sideways-wastegate-pumping carnage and worse tragedies.
But I don't really know. Sigh.

If that were to be the case I'd never get another ticket.....ever, for anything.

[Robert Taylor]

Im not happy that many who have posted are collectivising the police as ( if you like ) a bunch of rotten apples. If the deceased was doing everything totally within the letter of the law and the u turn was very foolhardy then fair enough heads need to roll. But only after all sides have a fair hearing and certainly away from a kangaroo court mentality.
Personally I am thankful of the police, I had a very high speed motorcycle accident back in 85 ( yes I was speeding because I was young and knew everything at that time ) But for a miracle I shouldnt be here as I was thrown clear of the trailer that my RZ500 was busily ripping the tandemn axles out of. The other party was adjudged at being at fault as he failed to see me on a clear road before pulling out onto the road.
I am grateful of the police involvement as they were first on the scene ahead of the ambulance. As fas as I worked out they were ordinary human beings, just like the rest of us.

[Pixie]

I'd like to know what speed the bike was doing, he has to be going at a speed equal to or under the speed limit, where he can stop in the length of the lane visible to him. If he was approaching a blind hill then he should have been initially slowing down surely? Were there any other riders with him? I'd like to hear from them rather than the armchair lawyers on this thread personally. You might find this hard to stomach but none of you actually know what happened and neither do I.

Do you do this? Slow down to achieve the optimum visibility ahead?
Like fuck.

[miloking]

And yes, I know even one injured or killed is one too many. (before somebody else jumps on the already creaking band-wagon)

Oh well, well.. you might not be completely lost cause after all scumdog...

[miloking]

Exactly, seeing as how you were there and know all about how the crash happenedl how DARE Mr Wilkin have the nerve to ofer only a THEORY about the bikes speed, what was he thinking????

"Theories" are very dangerous things to be presented as "facts" for deciding blame that caused fatal accidents...

[miloking]

Im not happy that many who have posted are collectivising the police as ( if you like ) a bunch of rotten apples.

As fas as I worked out they were ordinary human beings, just like the rest of us.

Nobody said police arent human beings..as far as i can tell in this whole " lame excuse for civilized discussion" thread. (nor did at any point)

My only issue with police is the Hypocrisy of road "safety message" they are forcing upon me...and then shit like this happens!

[SMOKEU]

Do you even know what goad means?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/goad

[bogan]

just watched the campbell live interview, the interview was pretty good, but the feedback somewhat biased, one said its a rare breed of biker that doesn't speed so just assumed he was. And the common theme is that he should have been able to stop within his vision distance. One thing I haven't heard covered though, has it been established he couldn't see the cop before the turn was started? maybe the cop started the turn after he came over the hill?

[peasea]

I am grateful of the police involvement as they were first on the scene ahead of the ambulance. As fas as I worked out they were ordinary human beings, just like the rest of us.

Those nice young men in their clean white coats are coming to take you away.

[marty]

I had a conversation with the Ed about it today.
He is in the 'Ban all Pursuits' corner and the next KIWIRIDER editorial might well be carrying that line.
I disagree. I think without the disincentive of getting caught on the job there will be twin-turbo-no-springs-or-numberplate-cap-on-sideways-wastegate-pumping carnage and worse tragedies.
But I don't really know. Sigh.

Yup. Be careful what we wish for.

Stop all patrols, use them as crash attendance only. *555? take it away - following a drunk/dangerous driver? Too bad. Someone's cutting in, overtaking dangerous etc etc - too bad. Can't run the risk of a pursuit occurring, so they just carry on doing what they're doing.

Have 1000's of speed cameras - fixed and mobile. Legislate number plates on the front of bikes.

If you don't beleive it - try speeding without being photographed in the UK

[Katman]

but the feedback somewhat biased, one said its a rare breed of biker that doesn't speed so just assumed he was. And the common theme is that he should have been able to stop within his vision distance.

I wouldn't call it biased. I'd call it the public's general concensus.

Those of you who are trying to whitewash the motorcyclist's involvement in this incident are achieving nothing other than strengthening the public's perception that we're a bunch of fucking retards.

[DangerMice]

just watched the campbell live interview, the interview was pretty good, but the feedback somewhat biased, one said its a rare breed of biker that doesn't speed so just assumed he was. ......

That feedback made me feel so pissed off! Just shows the general attitude to motorcyclists. "He's was a biker? Oh well fuck him, was his own fault then". Aarraaggghhhh!!

[JimO]

if it was a car that came over the rise and collected the police car there would have been more fatalities, ok the bike was probably speeding to catch up with his mate in the ute, but the cop shouldnt have attempted a 3 point turn in that place on the road AND if it was you or me we would have been charged with careless use causing death by now, im normally pro police, i have a few mates that are cops but this time i think the cop fucked up. I also think the guy that said the bike was speeding because he heard it should shut his trap as we all know noise doesnt necessarily mean speed even though the rider was on a kawasaki 1000 that could go over the speed limit easily he doesnt know how fast the bike was going

[jahrasti]

Ban all road safety I say.

And when all the fuck wits on here start to whinge about the roads being such a dangerous place, I will sit here and think " I told you so".