National Radio interviews Tooman and BRONZ re: fatal biker accident

[carver]

I dont KNOW it Maha.
But look at that road...highly unlikel;y he was doing 80, or 90 now is it?
And as the speed limit is 100 kmh, I took the liberty of stating he was travelling at that, the open road speed limit

Any vehicle crossing that hilltop would be doing at least the limit, if theyre someone who knew the road as Paul obviously did

I spoke with a few people who knew Paul before the interview went ahead, I simply did the best with the data I had Maha
It would not be reasonable to suggest Paul was doing anything over the speed limit from what I was told of his onraod riding habits

I state again, I HOPE I did justice to Paul, and summarised the situation with what information I had

The point about the stock truck was: the cops poor practise would have resulted in a dead cop and passenger, and a traumatised, possibly acccused driver of a heavy vehicle as an outcome

I do not believe there is any merit in flaming a witch hunt in the period that the Brown family and friends, are grieving.
There will be time for finger pointing, accusing, and analysis of the facts after the dust settles.

The cop utterly fucked up, that is obvious, and thats the point I was trying to make without being too over the top and inflamatory on public radio.
As well as pointing out that the initial claims of the biker 'speeding' as reported on several broadcasts (see the friendly ex racer neighbour already covering the cops ass on TV3?) are unsubstantiated, un povable, and irrelevant
At any speed he was doomed due to this ridiculous 'must catch the speeder' attitude of our Police force

i know that road...
i used to try and wheelie over the hills on my GSXR (there are a lot of em)
the road is pretty straight too

[Milts]

Just two points (or questions) re braking distance and speed at impact...
As someone pointed out, he may have been attempting to swerve to avoid the car while on the brakes. If that were the case, he may easily have not slowed down anywhere near as fast as is possible in a straight line.
Sorry if I sound ignorant here, I'm not exactly experienced, but if he's coming over the hill at speed and suddenly the road drops away, would that affect braking distance? Seeing as he is unoading the suspension coming over the crest, and reducing his traction with the road? Would this have a noticable impact on his braking distance?

[Katman]

Imagine you are following a car along a road and every time that car reaches a crest of a hill they slow down to about 30kmph, then speed up to 100kmph, then slow down again at the next crest / corner etc.

what's the bet you would get angry and pass that car...?

Being careful and alert is one thing but being pedantic about stopping distances is simply not practical. The rider was not to blame for this incident.

Would you be happy to race on a fast circuit with blind crests if there were no flag marshalls present?

[Crasherfromwayback]

But I am waiting to see what the actual facts are before I decide on how much at fault the biker is as well.

There is very little excuse for coming upon a stationary hazard and not being able to stop in time.

THIS is what I mean about you being an oily wankstain Piratefudgepacker.

How long have you been riding motorcycles for then eh? Do you think you're already more skilled than the innocent guy just killed? Are you that full of yourself and that sure of your own riding ability that you think you can say shit like that without being called on it? You say you're WAITING on the facts...then go on to say "There is very little excuse for coming upon a stantionary hazzard and not being able to stop"???

Who said it was fucking stationary? What's to say the poor guy didn't have an escape route round the back of the car when the fuckhead put it in reverse and killed him? I bet you're an unemployed pimply faced student that reads too much about everything, but does very little of nothing. Except tell us all how you would have avoided being killed cause you're so good/smart.

[Katman]

THIS is what I mean about you being an oily wankstain Piratefudgepacker.

How long have you been riding motorcycles for then eh? Do you think you're already more skilled than the innocent guy just killed? Are you that full of yourself and that sure of your own riding ability that you think you can say shit like that without being called on it? You say you're WAITING on the facts...then go on to say "There is very little excuse for coming upon a stantionary hazzard and not being able to stop"???

Who said it was fucking stationary? What's to say the poor guy didn't have an escape route round the back of the car when the fuckhead put it in reverse and killed him? I bet you're an unemployed pimply faced student that reads too much about everything, but does very little of nothing. Except tell us all how you would have avoided being killed cause you're so good/smart.

If you can't see the sense in his post then you're the fucking retard.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you can't see the sense in his post then you're the fucking retard.

Ahhhh...no Cuntman...never called him a retard. You on the other hand...

[R6_kid:Me]

How long have you been riding motorcycles for then eh? Do you think you're already more skilled than the innocent guy just killed? Are you that full of yourself and that sure of your own riding ability that you think you can say shit like that without being called on it? You say you're WAITING on the facts...then go on to say "There is very little excuse for coming upon a stantionary hazzard and not being able to stop"???

In any situation where you hit a vehicle already in your lane, you're liable for failing to stop.

[Crasherfromwayback]

In any situation where you hit a vehicle already in your lane, you're liable for failing to stop.

100% bullshit.

[R6_kid:Me]

100% bullshit.

Sorry?

If you are travelling at a speed for which you cannot stop in the visible distance of clear road ahead of you - then you can be considered to be driving "dangerously" or "recklessly".

You were obviously tested on a different version of the road code to me because the one I learnt from said:
"on a road with lanes, you must be able to stop in the length of clear road you can see in front of you"
"on a road with no lanes, you must be able to stop in half the length of clear road you can see in front of you"

I'm not saying that is what happens, that is how you are supposed to be driving/riding.

[PirateJafa]

THIS is what I mean about you being an oily wankstain Piratefudgepacker.

How long have you been riding motorcycles for then eh? Do you think you're already more skilled than the innocent guy just killed? Are you that full of yourself and that sure of your own riding ability that you think you can say shit like that without being called on it? You say you're WAITING on the facts...then go on to say "There is very little excuse for coming upon a stantionary hazzard and not being able to stop"???

Who said it was fucking stationary? What's to say the poor guy didn't have an escape route round the back of the car when the fuckhead put it in reverse and killed him? I bet you're an unemployed pimply faced student that reads too much about everything, but does very little of nothing. Except tell us all how you would have avoided being killed cause you're so good/smart.

Clearly you have yet to read any of my posts.

Please pay attention in particular to post #47, although you may run out to fingers trying to count your way down to it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Sorry?

If you are travelling at a speed for which you cannot stop in the visible distance of clear road ahead of you - then you can be considered to be driving "dangerously" or "recklessly".

You were obviously tested on a different version of the road code to me because the one I learnt from said:
"on a road with lanes, you must be able to stop in the length of clear road you can see in front of you"
"on a road with no lanes, you must be able to stop in half the length of clear road you can see in front of you"

I'm not saying that is what happens, that is how you are supposed to be driving/riding.

No need to be sorry. Just learn to differentiate between following too closely and riding over a crest to find a fucking police car in the middle of your lane.

[The Pastor]

You were obviously tested on a different version of the road code to me because the one I learnt from said:
"on a road with lanes, you must be able to stop in the length of clear road you can see in front of you"
"on a road with no lanes, you must be able to stop in half the length of clear road you can see in front of you"

(road code is not law)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Please pay attention in particular to post #47, although you may run out to fingers trying to count your way down to it.

Sorry. Unlike you and your relatives...I don't have 47 fingers.

[PirateJafa]

THIS is what I mean about you being an oily wankstain Piratefudgepacker.

How long have you been riding motorcycles for then eh? Do you think you're already more skilled than the innocent guy just killed? Are you that full of yourself and that sure of your own riding ability that you think you can say shit like that without being called on it? You say you're WAITING on the facts...then go on to say "There is very little excuse for coming upon a stantionary hazzard and not being able to stop"???

Who said it was fucking stationary? What's to say the poor guy didn't have an escape route round the back of the car when the fuckhead put it in reverse and killed him? I bet you're an unemployed pimply faced student that reads too much about everything, but does very little of nothing. Except tell us all how you would have avoided being killed cause you're so good/smart.

U mad?

Yeah, u mad.

Please, push the keyboard away from you until your time of the month has passed, and you feel free to rejoin civilised society.

I have no doubt that his riding abilities were much higher than my own. Any difference, I suggest, might have been in our attitudes towards riding on the public roads. Especially, if he rode on the road like other of his "Coro Demons" crew that I have seen.

Anything else is probably a figment of your clearly fevered imagination.

[R6_kid:Me]

No need to be sorry. Just learn to differentiate between following too closely and riding over a crest to find a fucking police car in the middle of your lane.

Re-read the sentence. Taking particular note of "in the length of clear road". It does not differentiate between what object is stopping the lane from being clear.